Rojo Said

paleif, I'm sorry you can't grasp my comments on AA etc, it's nothing to be ashamed of. I'm not the best communicator of my thoughts, so it's my fault too.
Pale replies
Rojo I hear you but remember we are trying hard to work with these people united.

Rojo there are millions of people who are members of Animal Welfare groups world wide. I refuse to believe many of those would not agree with our method or theory - Some of them would probably say to themselves- Hey that sounds like something that might make the long trips turn into shorter trips and ebable Animals to be slaughtered as close to origen as possible..

bTW your wrong about Muslims not accepting pre stun meat.

I have posted the Muslim Leaders request for people to 'read' a and take onboard that they readily accept pre stun meat many times.

I will post it here again in case you didnt see it-
http://www.livexports.com/afic.html

Also Rojo it isnt fair to call everybody extreme. Look at the post below you. That is a fair and reasonable comment dont you agree?
Well Yvonne you have got our interest.
Someone like yourself could do a great deal of benefit for both animals and farmers.
yvonne,
Whoever you are your right an we apoligise. Sometimes its hard not to raise to the bait. We are the biggest bunch of animals lover that you could ever meet.
Sure we are lobbying to reopen plant but only because we cant stand to see the long trips. Most of us litterly cant sleep. Any funds donated bgack - if ever. Go straight to Animal Welfare to put back into improving conditions in trucks plants slaughtering equiptment.
Not one cent! do we want I swear. Trying also to have video footage and gas introcuded etc.
I do hope you will post again. We would be interested to read more of your thoughts on how we can all improve the lives of these poor creatures.
Happy to follow your sensible lead.
Out of space Yabbs- Catch you later:)

Interesting today on the NSW ABC country hour, an rspca rep was giving her view on the resumption of live exports to Egypt. The only mention was slaughter practices in Egypt, no mention of boats,the length of journey, pink eye - just the slaughter practices.

Don't get confused, I'm not saying religious intolerance is the motive for ending live exports as with Nazi's and kosher bans, only that it will be viewed as such. ie Brigette Bardot recently.
The public campaign to end live exports is now squarely on slaughter practices, halal slaughter practices to be precise. With such a narrow focus, it is hard to see how it can not be construed as religious intolerance or racism. Terms like "barbaric" and "brutalizing" are being used to describe what these people feel is the right thing to do.
If we want to effect change for ALL animals we need to work with the ME, not as domineers.

"The public campaign to end live exports is now squarely on slaughter practices, halal slaughter practices to be precise."

Rojo

I confess I am unable to endure anymore of your fraudulent and sickening propaganda.

I shall no longer engage in debate on this thread.


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Dickie, the British and rest of the EU are of course free to open up
their markets to Australian mutton and lamb, slaughtered right here
in Australia. Right now we are largely denied access to those
markets, for reasons of EU self interest it seems.

In that case the higher value obtained would mean not having to
send so many animals to the Middle East. You are free to lobby the
EU to do the right thing here! If they refuse, then it would only
be fair to describe them as hypocrites.

Hi all
I'm probably going to join with Dickie and leave this thread now. It has more than run its course and I'm tired of dealing with total ignorance.

Rojo, your arguments become more and more fatuous. Animals who are predators in the wild do not have the cognition to understand brutality, and eat as they do to survive. Humans are supposed to be a "higher order" species, and certainly should have the ability to understand that transporting animals half way around the world to simply butcher them for a few extra bucks is morally repugnant. That is clearly beyond you and Yabby, unfortunately. But sometimes you have to wonder who are the "animals" on this planet. Humans are the worst, most obscene predators the world is ever likely to have to recover from and the "livestock industry" can take much of the credit for that.

It hardly seems worth bothering to re-state the case about religious intolerance. This has absolutely noting to do with religion (read some excerpts of the Q'uran), and everything to do with animal abuse that is clearly entdemic in these cultures. You obviously lack the perspicacity to make that distinction either.

Dickie has pointed out as well that 40,000+ dead animals (or maybe not quite dead) thrown off ships or into macerators is not acceptable as "collateral damage".

Whay sort of human beings are you, that you find all this not only acceptable, but justifiable?

Nicky

Rojo
"NO" That is not True = This is what RSPCA said=

AAPhttp://www.thewest.com.au/aapstory.aspx?StoryName=481026
The RSPCA rejects industry assurances cattle will not be ill-treated.

"If (abattoir workers) are not monitored by an Australian official ... then there is absolutely no guarantee that these animals will be slaughtered humanely," the RSPCA's scientific officer (farm animals) Melina Tensen told AAP.

"We don't think the trade to Egypt should be resumed, the trade with all importing countries should cease.

The animals should be slaughtered in Australia and the meat exported to Middle Eastern destinations, Ms Tensen said.

"Live export was problematic because the animals were poorly treated during the journey and at the abattoir."

They were subject to heat stress, pneumonia and starvation and sometimes fell ill.

Animals were slaughtered without being stunned first, which the RSPCA opposed, Ms Tensen said.
Link Below From Compassion in World Farming tells it the way it is also.
http://www.ciwf.org.au/ciwfuk080215.htm

Please dont do things like that. Dont try to make out its about religion. Dont try to be dishonest. RSPCA have been lobbying for years to stop long distance travel. "ITS JUST CRUEL"

Yabby said
The British and rest of the EU are of course free to open ....
pale comments.
That will be done on the back of an export accreditation issue which
reminds me=
Maybe its a good time for the farmers to start getting involved. You cant sit in the same of mind set of others doing it for you.
This is the real problem. The mind set of farmers must change. Dont wait for Government to do it MLA or FF or anybody else Do it yourselves.
This is how you got these middle men in the first place.
For goodness sake what do you need a middle man for?
middle men are just that- Someone passing something on.
Get out and get direct contacts i9nto Halal accreditations. If I were you I would make it snappy before you know who does.

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