*Clearly farmers become desensitised to this practice and my hosts had scant regard for my small children who were distressed for weeks.*

Dickie dear, I cried as a 5 year old, when my dad shot a poor little
rat. Farming teaches you about the realities of life, of birth and
death, that life is not based on fairy floss, as those movies tell
you. At some point we all have to learn. If you still have not
learnt, that is your problem, not my problem. Tippytoeing through
the tulips is all very romantic, but not reality. Get used to it.

*whereas mulesing is cutting off flesh and skin from around its backside.*

Nicky, time to quit the propaganda and lies. Either you are stupid
or as dishonest as Peta. When is flesh removed during mulesing?
Yes some skin is removed, as it is removed by circumcision.
Crutching does not solve the problem, it reduces the problem, that
is all. But then it seems you have never actually crutched a sheep,
seen mulesing performed, so are just an another uniformed and
ignorant commentator, or a Peta member, where honesty has little
to do with the story that they preach.

The OLO ducks club of vegetarian fanatics who hate farmers, is
alive and well!

Rojo, thanks for posting some really rational thinking, but some
of the ducks in this little club are either too stupid or too
deceptive to be able to reason.

Dickie

HKM is a project working underr a mou for Animal Welfare. It is just one of many and the mou with Muslims is regarding Animal Welfare.

In case you have missed it Nicky has attacked pale on a very regular basus and I am only passing on a request from others. Those others happen to be lawyers and part of pales board. They say Enough is Enough. I am the messager.


We have a big enough job on our hands with side swipes at people who are working to help animals.

Yes we understand killing animals at all is a big issue for some people and also groups.'
We also understand that unless this is tackled from another angle live exports will grow as it has over the years.
With respect to you Dickie your posts are well informed and your dedication is fantasic.
However I am still sort of hearing( I think)? pale assisting farmers to set up plants with muslims goes against our grain etc.
Well Dickie thats a pity because its only by working on the alternative will we stop live exports.

i also appreciate you took the trouble to contact us and was both impressed and delighted with your dedication and knowledge.
Lets agree to work united and stop taking swipes at pale. There for we wont have to respond. How about that.? I appreciate that your not doing it. So do the others.
Its certainly not helping the animals by Nicky displaying disunity amoungst groups. Nor is it helping for people to say it goes against Animal Welfare organisation to discuss p0lants.
Simply put. We Have to if we are to improve conditions.
Thanks for all you Do From All of us.

*The argument that Rojo and Yabby put up is fallacious since other nations, anxious to supply the ME with live animals, are rampant with foot and mouth disease.*

Nothing fallacious at all Dickie, just ignorance on your part.
FMD comes and goes, there are many countries in the world.

I remind you that Brazil is a global beef exporter and becoming
a global live exporter, 250'000 live cattle a year and rising.

If you read this week's Farm Weekly you will note that Wellard's
Siba have 350 million$ invested in better ships etc, so are not
just going to scrap them to make you happy. Some very old ships
ply the Brazil trade, Wellards will simply tap into South America
for sheep and cattle. Meantime the Saudis will grow what they
need in Africa.

Closing your eyes, stamping your feet, claiming your morals, is
not going to change the world and make reality go away, much
as you would wish.

Something I have learnt in life, its not a perfect world and never
will be, so best to make the best of what you have and accept reality.

You girls float on in dream world and all you will achieve is
shoot Australia in the proverbial foot, a lose-lose situation all
round. But then the animal liberation movement, including
Dickie and Nicky, will only be happy when farmers stop farming,
as both of you have explained to us, on the various threads.

Dream on darlings.

Dickie
Sorry I couldnt fit anymore. Of course nickys information has been "most vaulable" and we have acknowledged that a million times.
I think you two girls could take over olo postings and leave us to other issues. TBO
As I pointed out she has facts figures ships etc in her head where I have to always stop and think - or worse still look it up. I fully agree to work as you suggested- For the Animals leaving out anything else.
However Dickie I can not go back on intruction that were in fact clear orders so lets leave it at that.

I had best see what your old buddy yabbs is up to before I run out of space. perhaps hes come up with a new idea for the sheep you told us about wearing the lipy and nightie:)
Yabbs said
Dickie dear, ...

pale comments

Yabby thats awful. I am sure any kid would remember it. It would take an 'awful lot' to forgive . I dont know what to say to you because you will think I am taking the mickey out of you.
I cant of course bag your Dad because that would be wrong.
I cant condone what he did either.
Has it ever occured to you that rat got your attention and was friend in place of him.? He wanted the love perhhaps you gave that rat?

Some people who cant express the feelings and love reacting in upsetting ways.
Anyway it sounds like you turned into a real survier and I look forward to putting you guys out of business:)

( not the farmers- just the live export Agents.

Yo Yabby- Just one for the road- You cant say the x police lady Lyn White working with Animals Australia didnt expose the Government and the live exporters - because the Government ACTED on that.
Now you said you wanted conditions improved so you should be supporting her

"Nothing fallacious at all Dickie, just ignorance on your part.
FMD comes and goes, there are many countries in the world.

"I remind you that Brazil is a global beef exporter and becoming
a global live exporter, 250'000 live cattle a year and rising."

Yabby. Why do the descriptions "Imposter" and "Charlatan" come to mind when I read the swill you bombard us with?

It's for certain that you would not be the least concerned that Brazil has a history of foot and mouth disease. Many countries are reluctant to import from that country. Other countries in proximity to Brazil are also infected with FMD such as Bolivia, Ecuador and Venezuela - in fact most of South America, from a glance.

250,000 cattle eh? You're such an imposter that you've failed to mention the 5 million live sheep exported from Australia last year. Do the Brazilians have 5 million sheep for export each year - free from FMD?

And would the Arabs prefer to consume meat that has the potential for FMD and other diseases that these animals are more susceptible to? I think not.

http://old.thejakartapost.com/detailcity.asp?fileid=20080508.D05&irec=4

http://news.sbs.com.au/dateline/foot_in_mouth_130552

http://www.defra.gov.uk/animalh/diseases/monitoring/pdf/fmd-brazil.pdf

http://sl.farmonline.com.au/news/nationalrural/livestock/news/wellard-goes-global/766617.aspx

Keep on making a goose of yourself Yabby. Exposing your lies and deception all go to a good cause - that is allowing the public to judge for themselves and for them to realise that you and your consortium are an avaricious rabble of unethical moral pygmies.

Hi all
Dickie, thanks so much for your support. The tirades from PALE, along with the veiled threats of legal action for which it has no standing wear very thin at times. As for the "lawyers" and multitude of members, we don't see much evidence of them.

I have provided what I thought was valuable information, particularly in the context of these Standards, and the WA court case, but quite frankly I agree with you, and find PALE's involvement with what are clearly slaughter operations in the commercial sense, in which money obviously is to change hands, a very clear conflict of interest. It would be interesting to know if the RSPCA was also to be paid some form of royalties (as it is by battery hen farmers in NSW), but so far as anyone seems to know, none of it ever got off the ground, so I guess that's moot.

I also expressed concerns about the submission suppposedly written to the Senate RRAT Committee by AFIC being a bit improbable. It's also irrelevant, because it did not address any substantive part of the proposed National Animal Welfare Bill (back in 2003) at all, and that's why I have been trying to provide some direction about submissions addressing these proposed Standards. That submission simply ordered the world at large to contact HKM as some sort of authority.

Having been involved with politicians, I know what these people will bother reading and what they will "bin" and it would be a pity to give them the excuse to do so without supporting submissions with facts rather than emotions (much as we might want to).

I don't think I'll even bother addressing Yabby's usual claptrap tonight (that gets pretty tedious too), and the same goes for PALE and its wild claims, and silly, unbalanced threats.

BTW, what is "flaming"?

Cheers
Nicky