Dear Nicky, yes we know that you should have been a traffic cop, so that you can
follow your passion of imposing fines on people. As I have explained to you before,
that is not how AQIS operates, for reasons that I have explained. 1000 dead sheep
cost a company 100’000$, that’s a pretty large fine in itself.

The standards are quite good, I’ve read them. Where problems will always arise,
is that when humans do things, there will be stuff ups due to human stupidity.

I know its beneath you to watch commercial tv, but one day take a look at Gordon
Ramsay’s Kitchen Disasters. It might occur to you how some people can’t even
run a simple restaurant, let alone a complex operation like exporting live sheep.

Don’t talk to me about what happens in the ME. I made you an offer to help
change things when it comes to the slaughter of 12 million non Australian animals
there, you are not the slightest bit interested.

Meantime it sounds like in the saleyards under your very nose, they are unable to
organise themselves to see that animals are treated humanely, so who are you
to preach to the ME?

If people were fudging AQIS charge cheats, they would be sacked. The press
would only need to get a whiff of corruption in Govt, heads would have to role,
or the Govt would not survive.

*You have so much knowledge in your head. More than I.
I must addmitt I am a bit usleless at that. I always get the names and dated mixed and have to loook things up.*

Hehe Getrude you said it! I am going to have to agree with you :)

Oxytocin Nicky, is part of your genetic make up and affects your behaviour. Look it up and educate
yourself. Otherwise of course, ignorance is bliss!

Yabby

He,he yourself. I am not in a good mood tonight, I must warn you.

No Yabby, I dont have each dreadful happening and each ships name in my head.

I said to Nicky, she seems to remember those details far better than myself

Mind you for all I know she may refer to a web site.

However I do know that AA Leader Glenys has those details in her mind. Or so I was told.

Whats your problem with that.? Unlike yourself Yabby I have always acknowledged that this requires many people with many skills.

We cant all be like you and know everything.

You know like others we have long held the view that the answer is with Muslim Leaders and Farmers.

For the record we have invited Animals Australia and RSPCA National to sit at the table with Muslim Leaders of Australia working under our unique MOU for Animal Welfare for years!

Our latest invitation was extended as Nicky knows again just four weeks ago.

A response from RSPCA National Bidda Jones was finally received by our office PM today.

In short we were informed RSPCA National Animals Australia Handle with Care are to approach Muslim Leaders themselves.

Well Golly and all the time we have been black listed and critized for our work?

It just goes to show the problem with Animal Welfare stems from human nature driven by jealousy and envy and power.

RSPCA National need to Handle this with Care Indeed:)

dickie, how about we start with this one:

"This month, a Canadian woman was diagnosed with BSE"

An obvious LIE.
Since BSE hasn't been a topic here one would have to wonder why you bring it up unless to further some hapless crusade. I expect it is not to advantage the meat producers of this world.

You are most welcome to tell AQIS how they should go about their business. I know what it's like to make mistakes, and some risk is associated with all imports. Had they totally overlooked the ticks I would be equally critical.
Equine flu should be a reminder of the reason we have AQIS in the first place,and is no doubt something AQIS will learn from. There is no such thing as risk-free. Not even by closing off borders and certainly not without a "first line of defence"- you do get "first line" don't you?
One wonders what the Japenese QIS was doing (if such an equivalent even exists).
"One mistake is forgiveable"
I would say to repeat a mistake is unforgivable.

Hi Nicky,

The thing about old material is knowledge changes over time. That doesn't make the new results any more correct, but it certainly doesn't verify the old.
I would also say that choosing to present the old when much newer information exists is deliberately misleading.

cheers

Yabby rojo

Or should I refer to you as Loral and Hardey
Why don’t you crawl out from under that rock where you hide with your false names and utter crap and say who you are and what you do like we do?
Stand up like men - which you are not.
Come on lets hear all about your personal dealings with AQIS.?
Why should Dicky or Nicky not be concerned about animal welfare simply because they are not farmers. Grow up.

Tell us the last time you attended a meeting with these people. We are dying to know.

Because I know one thing for sure and that is you have never had personal dealings with AQIS and you have zero idea of how they operate unlike some.

They CONTROL the export licenses you twit. Control being the key factor here. Now they do that for the Government.

Then they THE Government give our tax dollars to no less than three other organizations to put out the preverbal BS you read in MLA reports and others.

Well sunshine we have sat at a table with a head AQIS person who at that time was Peter McGauran’s advisor.

Now out of that mouth came a statement that rocked the foundation of the earth.

She clearly didn’t even realize she was talking with lawyers quite separately to people with a working relationship with Muslim Leaders and rspca qld.

Comments made regarding RSPCA National and Dr Hugh Wirth and UK President of RSPCA were 'fascinating'.

We contacted AA at that time. etc etc

I am going to tell the girls about export licences and accreditation handled or ah rather CONTROLLOED by AQIS but Rojoyabby come on YOU FIRST.

My Name is Wendy Lewthwaite and I founded pale. I am happy to talk of our experience with AQIS.
Come on Now Rojoyabby Who are you and what dealings have you had with AQIS.?

DO TELL?

Getrude dear, I had dealings with AQIS on virtually a weekly basis
for 14 years. But that is even beside the point.

The fact is, coming onto online forums and throwing little tantrums
is not going to get you anywhere. A poster can be the Queen of
Sheba or Lizzie 2, it does not matter. What matters is points of
reason and logical fallacies.

Here is a guide for you, worth reading, we'll see if you have the
ability to understand them.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/articles/logical-fallacies.html

Ad hominens won't do it for you, just make you feel better for
a moment.

Yabby
dearest, I intend to make my comments a whole lot more interesting as we go along. Thanks for the guide. Lets start by using it now. Oh looki here, what have we got. Umm, lets see now. Tell you what I will just hook into a couple that reminds me of you sweetheart.

hominem

"You are an idiot, therefore you are wrong."

“Everyone agrees with me, therefore I am right.”

By Golly Yabbs this is rather good. I Do like the refernce to SH perhaps we could compare it with AWB:)

Now I find the comment about Animal Liberation interesting.

So Now that you have given to us a little more of yourself why don’t you just come on out and say who you are.?

If your lot are so proud of live exports how come I had to sift through company after- or should I say before company after company that they hide behind.

MLA tells us their Ambassadors will not be able to be contacted by public.
Now that only leaves you Yabbs and of course we cant ask anybody to take your argument seriously if you hide behind the Vaile.

Anyway why not stick to something Fishy? It suites you.

I told you Gertrude is not in a playful mood these days.

I have long requested a be honest forum thread where people want to play on an even field.
To say whom you are especially while commenting on such important issues is only good manners.
Now I know that’s not something you live animal exporters hold too seriously.
What’s happened to you live Animal exporter Ambassadors?

Headed for the hills like the rest. Just like you live Animal Exporters Emanuel’s complaining we named them.

I mean really. Oh and don’t think for one second they are going to get away with the political interfearance in courts .

Now you still haven’t told me whom you personally dealt with at AQIS.?

I am not talking about fishy business- I am speaking of live exports.

Mind you sweetheart there’s not really much difference is there.