Re solicitation. Interesting. I've always been of the view that we should be allowed to come on to who we like and at least expect a polite rebuff. When you're a young woman, middle-aged geezers make passes at you, and often your overriding thought is often, "as *if* — I can't *believe* you've dared to approach me." Some women were happy to let that show. My philosophy always was, sex makes the world go round, everyone tries their luck, and they've a perfect right to, so if you're not interested, just say so, politely.

My point is that blokes in public toilets are allowed to try it on. They shouldn't persist once you rebuff them, of course, which you should clearly and at once. But I don't see why they shouldn't give it a shot. Girls have to put up with this stuff for years!

"Well it's settled then. If animals do it, it must be OK for humans to do it. The fact that humans have the ability to take a moral approach, but animals do not have morals, is beside the point." (Mr Right)

I must disagree with you Mr Right. Many underestimate the conscious abilities of other species. This is due to the conceit of humans who insist they are the superior species - Ha!

There is also evidence of altruism in other species, with some animals acting disinterestedly for the good of others.

Animals which live in communities often exhibit signs of morality which resembles human behaviour.

The concept that animals are sentient - possessing a level of conscious awareness, and able to have feelings - was finally recognised by the European Union in 1997.

One should not underestimate the intellect of other species simply because they don't speak our lingo or respond to OUR wishes.

However, unlike stoopid homo sapiens, I suspect other species know better than to moralise over sexual orientation.

Vanilla how do you feel about unisex toilets? Do girls have to put up with people propositioning them in toilets?

I do agree with you in the general sense though.

Vanilla

With you on this, getting propositioned is no big deal, women have been dealing with it for millenia.

BTW I have been propositioned by both sexes on many occasions - its only annoying if they don't accept that you're not interested.

So boys, if another male propositions you, maybe you should feel a little bit flattered that at least someone has found you attractive ;D

Vanilla, you are correct but the question is in part about why male homosexuality evokes such a strong reaction. I don't know if it's still an issue but it used to be a very visible issue. A contributing factor for many hetrosexual males having a strong dislike of homosexual males.

There was always the concern that no would not be accepted and I prefer privacy when I'm using a toilet so anybody who drills peep holes through the wall in toilets is likely to not be on my favourite's list.

I can only recall one workmate being propositioned, most of the rest of it was stories of a friend of someone we knew rather than first hand accounts but those stories combined with the add's on the walls, the peep holes through the walls were enough to keep the issue real. We tended to be cautious which toilet blocks we used and make sure we had company nearby if possible.

Like a lot of stuff around sexual violence our concerns may have been exagerated by stories rather than real risks. Whatever the risk there was enough physical proof to make those concerns seem valid and to ferment a dislike of homosexual's.

R0bert

Agression is what comes out of you. Phobia is what you block from reaching you. And in this light, I want to block homoaggression to affect me and my children.

Someone nicely listed number of factors which contribute to creation of this sexual deviation (not derogatory but as it is), and said that it is not determined what is deciding factor.

Long time ago and not so long we were studied that we are what genetics dictate. With open mind I could not accept this because of other evidence. Than I formulated my own opinion that at most genetics dictate 30% of our behaviour, who we are. Than more and more scientific evidence showed me that I am right and lately there is evidence that genes dictate very little and environment and our choice dictate the most. Out of that, our own decisions are absolutely decisive.

Fear or phobia or dislike or non acceptance does not have to be conscious, people can and do reject this choice of orientation. Yes I thought for a while what if I was born with genetic make up which would "sit on fence" and parents decided if I will be boy looking girl, or girl looking and behaving boy. Overall I had to decide what I want and what is acceptable in society.
It is a bit side issue but my personal stand is contrary to many, that I want to be happy when my family is happy. I do not want o be happy beside family members. Here I do not care about opinion of majority, but what is absolutely good. Consciously linking my happiness with happiness of wife and children is definitely not against family, nor society nor myself.

Rape or fear of homosexual rape and very unpleasant behavior in parks or public toilets, is not beneficial to society, nothing what homosexuals do is beneficial to society. (I am not talking about homosexual motor mechanic).