Izzo, my irrational fear is that I will raise a homosexual who converts to Islam and is anxious about the future of our planets' rainfall distribution.

Kick out the jams motherflicker.

Celivia “What kind of world would be more just, peaceful and moral”

What a great question. Thanks for focusing us on it.

A world which oppresses, condemns and excludes, through either racial, gender, religious secular (state) or other dictates and edicts, will only produce resentment and encourage revolt in those who are oppressed, condemned and excluded.

A world which accepts diversity, tolerates difference and values uniqueness will be a more just and peaceful world where fewer are disposed to revolt or resent. It might also be more “moral” simply through greater acceptance and observance to a common moral standard.

A world which is more tolerant of diversity leaves people to explore not only their individual sexuality but to aspire to their individual potential and answers the question “why are we here?” with the answer “to grow, each to the limit of our own potential”

A world which is less tolerant of individual sexuality and restrictive to people individual potential is a place where “life” is reduced to mere “existence” and answers the question “why are we here?” with the answer “to perpetuate the race”.

If it comes down solely to “perpetuating the race”, why bother?

I was under the impression that it was a well known fact that sexual preference was determined prior to birth- thus a person is born homosexual. I'm happy to search for written lit to support this if anyone asks.

So how can anyone be critical of someone who is born the way they are? This would surely scare the religous lot because that means God must of made a mistake in order for their to be a genetic glitch- and apparently God does not make mistakes.

There is also a misconception that gays are paedophiles- NOT TRUE. Its a fallacy. They are sicko's who prey on children and get themselves into professions that allow them to have contact with their intended victims. An example? Lets see- oh the priesthood is one.

One would hope that society is becoming more tolerant as a result of a more open society. My favorite saying again applies to this topic: We fear what we do not know.

And please, for those people who admit to not liking gay's but deny being homophobic, well you are homophobic, plain and simple.

Why can't we just accept people for unique human souls they are and not judge them based on sexual, religous, race and creed labels.

izzo I must admit I avoid females like you far more often than gays, your views to you at least are the only ones that matter and no way I stay in company like that.
Gays have rights yes it is my job to see they get them, so too do I my Melbourne story is one of tens I could tell is it less wrong for men to be confronted at night than women?
So if an idiot or worse harms a female we act but not complain if it is man on man?
Some one bought God into the debate wonder who? are we to consider the pedophile priests and ministers Gay?
Just maybe it was unwise to use Gods name while so many misused it that way.

TammyJo, it appears to be well established scientifically but that presents a significant issue for those who's god does not like homosexuality therefore in their minds the science must be wrong.

Just like it so obvious to many of them that the world was created one week some 6 or 7 thousand years ago and an earth thats billions of years old with life evolving over a very long period is just wild specualtion and not taken seriously by "real" scientists.

The good thing about homophobia is that it gives the rest of us some entertainment speculating what causes it in different homophobes. I tend to favor the one where they are in denial about their own attractions - those who protest too.

Whitty's point earlier in the discussion about public toilets is also relevant. My own views were much less tolerant when I had a job which meant that I regularly needed to use public toilets and sometimes at night. Far too much soliciting for gay sex on toilet walls, too many holes drilled through walls etc.

R0bert

Well it's settled then. If animals do it, it must be OK for humans to do it. The fact that humans have the ability to take a moral approach, but animals do not have morals, is beside the point.