I just love the way Boaz leaps in, boots and all, fired up with righteous indignation, only to - once again - base his argument on a total fallacy.

>>Unfortunately, for those who claim [homosexual attraction] is from birth or genetic, they are immediately confronted with the problematic situation of a paedophile who can spend 30 yrs in the slammer for doing what to him is 'quite natural'.. and who comes out and within weeks re-offends, because.. "I was born this way"<<

The fact, Boaz, is that the vast majority of paedophiles are heterosexual.

Introducing your favourite topic "where will it all end, the way we are heading we will all be forced to join NAMBLA" from the springboard of a thread on homophobia, simply indicates once again to everyone how little you know compared with the amount you write.

Leaving aside Boaz's predictable knee-jerk reaction for a moment, I'm interested in the number of people who have taken the opportunity to point out that simply disliking homosexuality or homosexual acts does not in itself define homophobia. It is only when that aversion is personalized, and turned into an "us and them" incitement to hatred or ridicule, does it cross the line and become abhorrent.

Hate to say it, but much like religion. I may dislike the actions and attitudes of religious folk, but I don't feel it necessary to impose those views on others, either by standing on a soap-box or twisting their arms.

Homophobia and religious rabble-rousing both occur when individuals allow themselves to believe they are in sole possession of the truth, and choose to denigrate and excoriate "the other" that they fear so much.

Boazy,

For a start, you've given us bible quotes and a analyis of them. Two quotes advocate *not* judging others but turning that gaze back on oneself, another a "gentle" restoration, the last a reminder to carry others' burdens.

None of them say that believers are supposed to condemn sin. Back to your bible, Boazy! Or, preferably, take the advice contained in your first two quotes.

Then, your sociological analysis needs some work, shall we say, particularly the "two-phase pattern of sexual politics". I would advise you to return to your conceptual drawing board.

Which leads me to the question. Do you have a point, other than you condemn homosexuality because your silly book says you must?

I notice you keep ignoring the arguments that prove pedeophilia is obviously irrelevant here. Is that because you have no counter for them?

Izzo

Just visit any major hospital and ask any honest doctor as to the amount of disease spread through sodomy. You will then see how natural it really is. If it was in the genes we would not have ex homosexuals and ex straight people. You have swallowed another unproven, unscientific pill in the name of tolerance. To promote this behaviour as 'normal' is a blot on our nation.

Pericles says
'Hate to say it, but much like religion. I may dislike the actions and attitudes of religious folk, but I don't feel it necessary to impose those views on others, either by standing on a soap-box or twisting their arms.'

He then gets on his/her soapbox. I doubt whether you hate to say it.

Runner

I don't usually waste my time with you, but, er I need some clarification here regards sodomy.

Do mean that sodomy performed by hetereos causes more spread of disease, or homosexual sodomy? Or both?

Also please provide evidence of same.

Thank you

BOAZ - I have always found that the people with the loudest religious opinion who preach life according to the bible are usually the ones who are the least christian of all - the pew in the front row every sunday does not guarrentee a tolerant, kind, generous and forgiving human being, if anything they are usually the opposite.
So your religious rhetoric falls of deaf ears in my case!


LEIGH - I really thought that Austrralians were far more open - minded and tolerant than many other cultures - and no, I have no idea if any of my kids are gay. However we have always talked openingly about homosexuality and sex because they see it everyday on the farm!

And anal sex is practiced by hetrosexuals as well!

BELLY - you say you worry about being in a public toilet late at night- welcome to the life of a female! Like women, I would suggest that you avoid being in any situation where you think you may feel threatened - like women have to do every day of our lives!
And the woman who wanted to fight you...have you ever been confronted by a man wanting to fight you? - so how is she imposing her sexuality on you?

FRACTELLE - The way I see it is that hatred of homosexuality seems to mostly be voiced by males, and it is common knowledge that hetrosexual men do not mind witnessing sex between 2 women, so obviously lesbianism is more 'accepted' than gay men.

I am simply not convinced that homosexuality is a choice. I went through puberty as everybody does, i found myself being attracted to men and only men. There is no way I could have 'decided' that NO - I dont want to be hetrosexual anymore, Im going to become a lesbian - I would have to be sexually attracted to women, I would want to spend the rest of my life with a woman - I didnt, and the reason is because I simply was not wired that way, I was born a heterosexual female

Fractelle, you should know runner lacks the where-with-all to participate in debate or defend a reasoned view.

He/she is only interested in posting a demented rant on anything which does not conform with his/her self-righteous moral perspective.

Although the supposed infection rate from sodomy does stir interest, one is tempted to exclaim . . .


“Well Bugger Me!”