A few comments. I've attempted to provide some explaination about one of the factors that used to contribute to a dislike of homosexual men. A question was asked and I've attempted to give some insight into a one of the issues which I'd had experience of. That does not make all our reactions at the time as good as they can be or necessarily valid but it does seem to me that some of the reaction to male homosexuals has to do with the public toilet thing.

It also occurs to me that I've not noticed much of that stuff in recent years, I've changed jobs and the area I live in so maybe it's not in my face the way it use to be or maybe the internet has opened up alternative ways for what I presume are mostly fringe homosexuals to meet up. Maybe increased public acceptance of homosexuality has made it easier for gay men to get a room or make other arrangements.

I've not worked out just why my own view's changed. I suspect that the change in jobs helped. I know that in my early days on OLO the postings of DavidJS had a significant impact. David's posts gave a great insight into one persons life that was remarkably different to what was all to often the public face of male homosexuality. At that stage we seemed to see a lot of really camp gay males on TV and I think Queer Eye was fairly big at the time. I find the camp thing very cring worthy so David's POV was much appreciated.

R0bert

Celivia. The boundaries of acceptance is where one shows respect for all those around them, including themselves. Holding hands and showing affection is the right for all people in love or not. Toilet hangers are giving the gay community a bad image and my sister, who I just got off the phone with, has said, that these toilet people are loathed and are a serous threat to the community( And most of these types are on the drug ICE and are out of there minds) and they are not to be recognized in-with the rights of real gay people.

Fractelle. A tad Homophobic! Mate! stay off the drugs.LOL. and going into the bushes with yourself doesn't count. Just joking. But seriously,
If I didn't have a sister that was gay, I think this is where homophobia manifests from. People are just frighten of what they don't understand. I think I said this before. People! Iam from Sydney, and there's nothing in this world that I haven't seen.

Just one question! Do you think toilet hangers are going around with portable drills? and if so, what should the walls be made of.

Better still, can we shoot them. LOL.

Homosexuality was hidden from the world by harsh laws for centuries.
Today in the western world we are seeing an openness that has both an enlightening spirit and a dark side.
If I had a child who became a soddomist in adulthood I would show my concern that it will become a curse later in his life.If I had a daughter and she showed that she was gay I would also tell her my concerns.
The Sydney gay scene appears to be a fun, young scene, but the link between pedophilia and the recruiting of young people to prostituting themselves within the gay scene is all too obvious.
Transvestites can certainly say that they were born that way,but a lot of so called gays,are more comfortable talking and having sex with their own kind,than facing their responsibilites as responsible hetrosexuality.
Illegal drug taking is are another reason why the gay scene is obscene.
The drugging of youths,leads to the explotation by gay/pedophiles.
One only has to read the newspapers to see the link between Gays and pedophilia.

Poppycock Brock

Paedophiles predominantly operate under the mask of a heterosexual. They very often have wives and children. They violate the bodies of their own children, their nieces and nephews, step-children and any other vulnerable kid they can get their filthy hands on.

I have a friend who is attached to the police division for sexual assault and child molestation. She is currently struggling to deal with a father who raped his 9 month old daughter.

Illegal drug taking in the gay scene eh? What about the illegal drug taking and drugging of victims in the hetero scene Brock?

And please Brock, give us a link to the newspapers you claim are revealing a link between Gays and paedophilia.

Best line of the thread, from Gibo: "What if one day the HIV/AIDS virus mutates and goes airborn."

Brock, if the link is obvious, show us some evidence.

I think most people are accepting of homosexuality even if, like myself, they don't fully understand it. "First do no harm" is my motto and I can't see a problem even though personally the mechanics of the sex is a bit offputting for me ie. orifices provided by nature for specific purposes.

While not fully understanding homosexuality fully even though I have known many homosexuals - you might be surprised at how many are in senior government and in politics. Most of the homosexuals I have worked with and befriended are not camp or butch.

As some posters have already touched on why do some homosexual men camp it up and essentially feminise themselves (albeit a distorted view of femininity sometimes) and some lesbians become 'butch' or masculine. If you are attracted to the same gender isn't it because you are attracted to the essence of that gender. What I mean is if you are a lesbian would you not be attracted to a feminine person? I don't mean to offend but I have always pondered that fact.

Maybe it is because it is these images that are fed to us via the media. Why do heterosexual men have sex with men in some situations like in prisons - is it just sex for sex's sake. Would we all become gay if we were stranded on an island with only the same gender for the rest of our lives or would we seek sexual gratification from whence it could be obtained and does it really matter. I don't pretend to understand all the nuances.

The point is if someone is born gay, history has shown that no amount of deprogramming works and is indeed inhumane and maybe we should just accept that we are all not the same.