Bronwyn,

Don’t upset yourself after Col Rouge.

He was telling us on another forum he’s actually had to wipe wash re paint the front of his house on three occasions due to paint attacks, hilarious.

That brought a grin to our faces up here so at least the comment wasn’t wasted.

To you Jolanda I say this. Anybody who thinks as you said = Jolanda Said =
Why should people WASTE THEIR TIME helping save the animals when there are so many worse things in the world, like child abuse and neglect for instance.
Posted by Jolanda, Saturday, 1 March 2008 6:42:08 AM
Pale replies
I can only say to you Jolanda while this obtuse attitude towards animal cruelty is not unique it is without a doubt the destruction of the world.
As for being a good parent how could you be? To teach your children compassion for Animals and other creatures we share this earth with should be a fundamental law if people don’t have the basic sensitivity to care.

I am utterly disgusted by your comments.

Perhaps you should read Pelicans many post under the animal liberation threads you might learn something.
My last free advice to you would be not force me back to this thread.
Your right this time would be better spent helping the animals.

Pelican I have tried bringing the attention to the fact that Legislation prohibits questions from being asked about 'particular conduct' and that particular conduct is not defined in the Act but that it means bias, misconduct, corruption and conspiracies to cover up. Nobody seems to care. It seems that people don't care what happens to others, they need to wait until it happens to them.

If you can give me any pointers on how I can address this I would be very grateful because I have tried every avenue and every angle possible and nobody with power seems to have the power or will to do anything and the Law seems to be set up to protect the criminal and give them all the rights. It matters not if the victims/targets are children.

PALE. Your posts don't make sense. Are you trying to tell me that you tried to help somebody who was anti-helping animals? You know as well as I do that I fully support the push to stamp out animal cruelty and have done so on many threads. I wrote what I wrote to give you a dose of your own medicine. It seems that you don't see a problem with you saying that people are wasting their time on a blog directed at trying to protect my children from being victimized, bullied, oppressed and treated unfairly but when somebody presents to you that people might not be to keen to help you as with your attitude they could very well present a similar thought about helping animals - you present them as the worse thing in the world? Why is helping animals good and helping children bad?

I am in the process of putting the evidence on my blog. It should be ready by tonight.

This matter requires investigation

Your accusing the the Ombudsman of a conspiracy.

pelican, can encourage despite evidence
=Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 4:19 PM
Subject: re Jolanda challita

Hello

Firstly congratulations on the work you do re Live Export trade.

I have been an observer of the lengthy Jolanda Challita 'saga' and I noted in researching various blogs that on an Andrew Bartlett blog you offered free legal assistance to the Challita's. I found the response you received on that site both discourteous to you and entirely illogical.

I felt it appropriate to afford you the opportunity to challenge a claim
Jolanda has made on a news.com.au blog. A blogger challenged Jolanda on having been offered free legal assistance and she basically denies this offer ever came. I really find her assertion, given your clear efforts
To offer her assistance, very poor. Jolanda is manipulative in the sense that she uses every opportunity to draw attention to herself and I am loath to suggest that any form of discussion should arise (as she has flogged the news.com.au site as equally as any other) however, as suggested, I felt you should be given the chance to respond to her claim she was never offered help.

You will find her post on the Gotcha blog and in this specific blog
Topic. The blog had reached post 57 when I copied the url and her
post(s) would be among the most recent.

http://blogs.news.com.au/news/crime/index.php/news/comments/public_sold_a_pup/

I should point out that I was a former Dept of Education employee (long retired). I am not in anyone's employ and am simply interested, as you are, in various issues raised on the Internet. Whilst I generally maintain a certain cynicism re Dept's I find no particular substance to Jolanda’s claim at all but it is *highly* frustrating to see help being generously offered and her refusing it. You begin to wonder whether she is now more intent on talking as opposed to resolving. That of course is a personal comment and not one I'm asking you to respond to :)

Regards,

Since PALE keeps wanting to present me as though I do not what this matter resolved and that I didn’t accept free legal help I feel it is necessary to put my side of the story.

Pale is located in another state. We came across each other on Andrew Bartlett’s blog and communicated. PALE offered some free legal advice. Problem was that the Solicitors were based in Queensland. I was advised that the Solicitors were coming up to Sydney for a very important hearing and that they may have one hour to spare in the middle of the hearing to see me. I was told many times how very busy they were. I was concerned because one hour in the middle of a big hearing for a case like mine isn’t going to address anything as the matter is involved and extensive. I advised Pale that I already had a Solicitor etc, but in any event in order not to be rude or to appear to ungrateful I waited to hear when the Solicitors were coming to Sydney and whether in fact they would have the opportunity and would want to see me. I heard nothing. In the meantime PALE had contacted me in relation to protesting in Sydney with regard to issues to do with the mistreatment of animals by telephone, we had spoken a few times and we had been sending emails.

Then I find a post on Andrew Bartlett’s blog criticizing me for turning down free legal advice and presenting me as a person who didn’t want these issues resolved. It was presented that three emails had been sent to me and that I didn’t respond to any. Of course I didn’t receive any of these emails as if I did I would have responded. Instead of ringing me to see what was going on as I had always responded before and to advise me of the details PALE preferred to write a nasty post on Andrew Bartlett’s blog about me.

Education – Keeping them Honest
http://jolandachallita.typepad.com/education/
Our children deserve better

Jolanda

"their identified educational and social needs were being seriously neglected in the comprehensive system"

I find this hard to believe. Admittedly I'm not familiar with the NSW system, but having spent many years working in state education in other states, in my experience school principals and the vast majority of teachers do all they can to cater to children with special needs. I just don't think you went about gaining their co-operation in the right way to begin with.

You seem to have backed yourself into a corner with your current fight, but it's never too late to make a fresh start. Is there another state school in your area you can try? Even if you have tried all those that are accessible to you in the past, they may well have new administration and teachers since you last had contact with them and you could find them more inclined and able to help you this time.

Forget the bitter past and start afresh. Learn from your past mistakes and don't repeat them. It's your only hope to salvage something from the mess you're in now. I know you don't want to listen to this sort of advice but you did put your personal problems out there in the public realm so you have to be prepared to hear all views.

Jolanda - as Vanilla has pointed out, would it be accurate of me to say, you're alienating more people then you're persuading?

Ever thought of changing your approach? toning down the rhetoric and hysteria, upping the evidence?
Sounding less like a hysterical mother who is annoyed her wondrous gifted bundles of light could be perceived as anything less than perfect sensitive brilliant angels?
Perhaps sounding more like someone who has collected a number of bullet point, referenced examples of where the system has gone wrong, where there is corroborating evidence aside from your blatantly and understandably biased views?

I'd also suggest that you stop making comments like: "An interesting question is to ask why people attack and discredit others when they are trying to protect and get justice for thier children"
Or: "If all you want to do is present my children as liars"

Jolanda, the first comment reads as though people are attacking you just because you want to stand up for your kids.

Perhaps the answer to the question is that people just find your approach biased and ugly. It's not that you're standing up for your kids, it's that you're biased and refuse to accept that maybe, just maybe, you're not being objective about this.

It's the way you're doing it. I'm assuming nobody on these forums has had any contact with your children. Therefore, they're only responding to you and your approach.

Nobody wants to present your kids as liars, what possible motivation is there? People just believe that your approach is likely to be doing them more harm than good and put simply, they don't believe your wild allegations.