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Posted by Jolanda, Tuesday, 4 March 2008 10:13:05 PM
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Here is an interesting link about Ministers and people in power ignoring allegations of child abuse.
http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,23312112-5006009,00.html They just asked the accused for his take, he said nothing happened and they said oh okay. All the victims must be lying. This situation of course takes things a step further as it is sexual abuse but at the end of the day the process of just accepting whatever a person with power says and ignoring allegations and complaints is the same. Posted by Jolanda, Tuesday, 4 March 2008 11:43:06 PM
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Jolanda
I said I wouldnt be back. Just was curious about something. If this was investigated and the findings were to be in your favour what would 'your' perfect outcome be? In other words what would you want to come out of it? I do find it interesting your site has its been let to go so long. Dont wish to get into any verbal debates with you. I would like to say you were 'wrong' about the barrister and also about the ammount of time that went into this. Felt annoyed . I felt it was not appreciated. That said,- I its easy to be uptight and unreasonable without intention when your under pressure. You 'are' difficult to work with Jolanda 'even if you are unaware'. I feel 'one of your problems you have little knowledge whats usauable as evidence.IMOPThats normal. The other problem as I see it is there are far worse things happening everywhere so people while in the ast first feel sorry for you they turn because they think- Get over it- basically I suppose. They feel you are demanding they spend all their time reading your web page. They ask questions and want immediate answers- You in return say read the web page which is confusing and lacks order. Nobody has that sort of time. I shouldnt be writing now. Others are just mean spirted by nature and enjoy putting the boot in for no reason. olo is Full of these people as well. We cop it and lets face it we are just a bunch of self funded animal lovers. I did contact the Ministers office as I said I would. Asked for this to be properly investigated. I find the whole thing as I told the Ministers office as an example of the fact that they are slack. I mean if your complaint is unfounded why allow this to go on. Posted by People Against Live Exports & Intensive Farming, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 1:03:52 AM
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PALE - you ask what I am seeking so I am going to respond.
I want a public apology. Our name has been dragged through the mud, we have been blackmarked and this needs to be addressed. I want those directly responsible made to answer and held accountable and removed from their positions of power. I want my children to be offered the schools that were taken from them. I want to be re-imbursed for what it has cost us and it has been significant with Catholic school fees for 3 children, legal fees, medical fees, psychologist fees, uniforms and many other expenses that were incurred, and are still being incurred as a direct result of the actions or lack of action by the Department. We are out of pocket and have gone financially backwards because of what has been done to us. I want my children to be offered full scholarships to University for their degree of choice. And there is no need to panic none of them want to become anything overly acadmemic they had their academic passion drained out of them. Had this not have happened and my children had of had their educational needs met they would very likely have received scholarships in their own right. IF the public doesn't believe that my children and family deserve compensation for what the have put us through and the anguish and despair that we have suffered then we are prepared to cop that sweet. I do not think that we are being unreasonable in our requests. For years I have been answering people on blogs and I see a pattern. The majority who ask questions don't really want to know the truth, they just want to discredit me to turn the attention from the truth. My time is also valuable. My website is confusing because the issues are confusing as the DET ensured that we were targeted so many times that there were so many issues that we didn't know how to present. Obviously their tactics work. Posted by Jolanda, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 7:07:56 AM
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Jolanda
Interesting answer to my question . Tall order an apology from any Government dep. In all fairness I cant see a problem with your wish list. I understand your tired of the same questions however remember you put it out there to the public and people want to judge you. You do you case more harm than good by not answering in a polite manner. As was suggested if you have enough evidence the media love nothing more than a beef up on the Government especially now as they are bored to death Thats another option which has suggested before( anyway its your choice) However if media wont run it then thats another matter. That means its propably in the grey area and of course they cant risk a law suite. If that is the case and I am not saying it is - then your not going to get up on the in court IMOP Now if the DEP sue you for defamation you will loose your house and there is no two ways about it . I was originally intrested in your matter because the DEP had let this go unchallanged and because I felt sorry for your position. No I dont think this is the most important case I have been involved in by a long shot. What drew my attention was your willingness to fight and stand up to the DEP. However you must have a strong case. please do not post back with abuse Jolanda. I have given a honest run down of my thoughts and nothing more I would like to to read this link very carefully and then decide if you think you should risk loosing your home because I cant see how that will help anybody. oh and by the way you dont have to be guilty to go down in court - just our briefed and I can see the dep having more money for silks than you. Thank you for answering my question. http://www.uow.edu.au/arts/sts/bmartin/dissent/documents/defamation.html This one should be read by all posters http://www.efa.org.au/Issues/Censor/defamation.html Have a nice day Posted by People Against Live Exports & Intensive Farming, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 9:25:12 AM
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PALE. Maybe you could direct me to where I have abused you.
I don't demand people do anything. I am actually much nicer to people than what they are to me. Juts because they don't like what I say doesn't make it abuse. This thread was about accountability in Government not about me, yet people insist on wanting to make it about me. The media know that I am telling the truth. They have told this to me but they say that they don’t want to go there. It seems that there is something stopping them. Maybe its politics who knows. I am not worried about losing my house because they can never take away my home. If the DET wants to sue me for defamation then that is their choice. I don’t like their chances given that twice I have given the DET through the Crown Solicitor the opportunity to advise me what it is that is defamatory and twice I have said that I will review the material once I have been advised and if it is defamatory remove the material and make a retraction. If the material is still there it is because it isn’t defamatory otherwise I would have been notified. I have no intention of using a solicitor if I get taken to Court. I will represent my family and I have the evidence to support everything that I say. If the system is so corrupt that they can still manage to turn it on me then I will do time if that is what it takes. I will fight for our right to be treated fairly. There are people who gamble their homes away, there are people who drink their homes away and who shoot their homes up their arms if I loose our house fighting for our right to be treated fairly then so be it. We will still provide our family with a loving and caring home. You can’t take your home with you when you die so really it is worth nothing. Posted by Jolanda, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 8:02:49 PM
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You justify the evidence. You ignore the evidence. You only believe what you want to believe. I will say it again you are not interested in protecting the children and therefore you are just like them.
I think it is those of you who insist on attacking me and ignoring the allegations and comlaints that should go and see someone as you are missing something very important in your makeup and that is the desire to want to protect children from harm.
Best interest of the child should always be of paramount concern. No adult should allow or ignore the covering up of allegations of child psychological abuse, neglect, bullying and victimisation of children otherwise they are failing in their duty of care.
I will be posting on my blog Annoyed Parent but I realise that all I will hear is either abuse or silence.
It doesn't matter to me, I have a goal and a mission to expose and fight back.
There is a reason why child abuse is rampant in this country and the evidence is right here on this thread.