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Posted by People Against Live Exports & Intensive Farming, Saturday, 1 March 2008 9:29:22 AM
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PALE. Why dont' you be specific with regard to the holes that you see in relation to my families matter. What have you actually seen, from what I recall you have on many occasions said that you have not read my blog. So why don't you tell me where you see the holes and we can go from there.
My story hasn't changed PALE. I have been saying the same things for years. You see I am telling the truth. I have never trusted you PALE, I didn't trust you when you first made contact with me and I do not trust you now. Your only interest in contacting me and acting like you were interested in helping was because you wanted me to help you with the issue with the animals and protest in Sydney on your behalf. Remember I said I couldn't I had too much on my plate. You can say whatever you like PALE at the end of the day when the complaint handling system denies children and parents procedural fairness and natural justice then there is an avenue for abuse. This avenue needs to be closed. Posted by Jolanda, Saturday, 1 March 2008 11:15:39 AM
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Bullying and victimisation in education is not limited to NSW and it is not limited to students and parents. There is a culture of bullying in Education. Even teachers become targets.
Bad Apple Bullies webiste http://www.badapplebullies.com/news.htm Posted by Jolanda, Saturday, 1 March 2008 1:11:04 PM
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Col Rouge
'I could (and I am not) suggest Bronwyn is suffering an “acute anxiety and abandonment disorder “ from her comment “but you're responding to others so why not to me?” I repeat I am not making that suggestion, merely illustrating the stupidity of armchair psychology.' You can repeat all you like Col Rouge, nothing will change the fact now that you have put the words out there. Thank you very much for that, I'm really glad to have been of assistance to you in making a point! The reason I specifically asked Jolanda to respond to me (and if you were to follow my posting history you would see I have never done that before or since to anyone else) was that she was busy repeating her same old mantra to several posters who had posted after me and I could see that she was going to completely ignore the point I had raised which went very directly to the irrationality of her whole debate. She states very clearly on her website that Selective Schooling should be abolished, a position with which I and many others would whole-heartedly agree, and yet she is spending all this time and effort trying to get her children selectively schooled. It's a fundamental contradiction that I felt she should have addressed, and which she still hasn't, especially if she expects us to take the time to understand her situation. Like I suspect most others on this thread I have since given up on getting through to Jolanda, who seems hell-bent on pursuing a lost cause whatever the harmful ramifications for her children, but I'm not letting your little dig at me pass without comment. It was completely unfair and unfounded and did nothing to add to the debate. The point you were trying to make could have been done without resorting to personal attack. Hopefully next time you'll leave me right out of it! Posted by Bronwyn, Saturday, 1 March 2008 2:26:59 PM
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If I missed responding to your post Bronwyn then I apologize
The reason that I believe that Selective Schools should be abolished is because whilst they do provide a better academic environment for those who get in, those who miss out are neglected and denied an academic learning environment and are even defamed on the basis that they didn’t get in to Selective Schools so therefore they mustn’t be gifted. Given that I have clear evidence that the SSU is manipulating scores and applications and exercising bias and prejudice in selecting students for these schools and given that the Selection procedures are grossly unfair as the playing field isn’t level, as some students are competing from private schools and some are being extensively coached for the test, then I believe that these schools are doing more harm than good. Sure my children have sought a place but that was only because their identified educational and social needs were being seriously neglected in the comprehensive system and they were becoming sick and depressed and Selective Schools is what the DET presented as the schools they had to cater for gifted students needs. The comprehensive schools said that they didn’t have the funding or resources to cater for my kids. Students should not to have to compete for appropriate education, as it should be available to all. They should remove this unhealthy and unjust competition that allows for bias and corruption and just makes coaching colleges rich and skews results. Public schools should be set up to cater for all students at all levels. It is a waste of money to spend millions in selection procedures that are unfair and corrupted. That money should be spent on catering for all students in local schools. Posted by Jolanda, Saturday, 1 March 2008 5:21:20 PM
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Jolanda
Without commenting on the validity of your case and getting back to your original comments about the complaints process itself, something I think that many do not realise about the powers of the Commonwealth Ombudsman (CO) is that they are not determinative. That is the CO does not have the power to substitute a different view or interpretation than offered by the department being complained about, the CO powers are of recommendation only. The agencies/departments being investigated can choose not to accept any recommendations the Commonwealth Ombudsman might make in any case. And there are limitations on what the Ombudsman can investigate. So the fault is with the system in which these oversight agencies work (not only the CO). What is needed is a body that has legislative power to overturn previous decisions should evidence indicate that it is warranted. The CO can only operate within the framework that has been provided by government so it is at this level that lobbying for change should be made. Posted by pelican, Saturday, 1 March 2008 5:42:37 PM
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I have assisted many people with complaints involving Government departments which is why we offered to help you.
We daily slug it out with Federal Government and have no problem standing up to both Governments for the right cause.
We are very concerned about the assistance needed for aboriginal kids that are in far more need than yours IMOP.
Yes we offered to help you because you at first caught my eye but your story has more holes in it than swiss cheese and I resnt the time waisted TBRO
If you think people waiste their time trying to help animals9 Or they shouldnt) it goes to the very bone of your character( or lack of)
Millions of Animals being kept in cages and having their eyes pulled out while still alive,. enduring trips in cramped conditions in 50% heat without water and food most of the time is far worse than anything that is happening in regards to your Frivolous complaints.
The world doesnt revolve around just you.
Now Thats is your real problem IMOP.
The fact you couldnt care less about anything other than you you you is really sad for your children.
No doubt they will have problems gropwing up a without being self centetred and have problems mixing and making friends.- (and getting on with school teachers who simply treat them as one of the class.)
Remember this Jolanda little of what your saying now adds up to the information you originally forwared actually nothing TBO