Nicky said

THAT is why everyone gets so frustrated with them.

pale replies- Nicky

Pick a number between one but not more than ten.

Then report "those amount of animals "only" to RSPCA.

Most Branches have a MOU with State Government DPI Department of Primary industry. This is to carry out Inspections on poulty farms, pork, pluss handle cruelty complaints for transport of
numbers "over" ten animals.9That is more than ten animals)

It is in fact the Government Dept of DPI that carry out inspections as a rule and not RSPCA.
Its the same with Live Export transport animals or for that matter any stock.
So if you really want to get results and get up Hughs nose =

Next time you see a truck with injuries report `two or `three animals being mistreated but dont mention the rest.

Which brings me back to this=

B If Federal Government and State Government funds are `paid to National RSPCA head office for `employment of CEOs or Inspectors can they `truly` say RSPCA are not Government funded?

So know knowing RSPCA does not carry out inspections under their MOUs with DPI it is clear that ALL complaints must go direct to State Government department of DPI if THEIR inspectors are not carrying out their duties

Yabby, if I am a fanatic, I'm certainly not alone. Here's a good article for you from the New York Times:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/27/weekinreview/27bittman.html?ex=1202101200&en=ae87f466b2f0f394&ei=5070&emc=eta1

And an extract:

"...Growing meat (it’s hard to use the word “raising” when applied to animals in factory farms) uses so many resources that it’s a challenge to enumerate them all. But consider: an estimated 30 percent of the earth’s ice-free land is directly or indirectly involved in livestock production, according to the United Nation’s Food and Agriculture Organization, which also estimates that livestock production generates nearly a fifth of the world’s greenhouse gases — more than transportation.

To put the energy-using demand of meat production into easy-to-understand terms, Gidon Eshel, a geophysicist at the Bard Center, and Pamela A. Martin, an assistant professor of geophysics at the University of Chicago, calculated that if Americans were to reduce meat consumption by just 20 percent it would be as if we all switched from a standard sedan — a Camry, say — to the ultra-efficient Prius. Similarly, a study last year by the National Institute of Livestock and Grassland Science in Japan estimated that 2.2 pounds of beef is responsible for the equivalent amount of carbon dioxide emitted by the average European car every 155 miles, and burns enough energy to light a 100-watt bulb for nearly 20 days...."

The RSPCA basically pays lip service to animal welfare. They're okay at cats and dogs, but try and get them involved in farm animals and see the level of activity they'll respond with. People throw money at them because their propaganda machine is more effective than they are.

I've actually seen my dogs chase rabbits (two wild ones have taken up residence here) but they are far too silly to catch them. They like to cuddle the chooks though. My child substitutes? Maybe.

Cheers
Nicky

PALE, of course the RSPCA has a conflict of interest; that has been the case since if started receiving money from the government. And I've actually found the police more helpful than the DPI or the RSPCA (neither of whom bothers to respond) with complaints I have made about overloaded trucks leaving nearby saleyards, and also conditions at the saleyard. When I cornered the RSPCA they were "too busy" to investigate.

I should add that I have also been harassed by the saleyard operators and some of the transporters whom I have reported for having sheep on top of one another (so some fall off as they corner, I've seen it happen).

As I said - dogs and cats hold more appeal, it seems. You can get a better media story out of them. Battery farms, pig farms - forget it.

The point I was making earlier is that the difference between the people whom you denounce as "libbers" are the ones who push the boundaries by getting evidence out there, in contrast to the RSPCA, which doesn't want to do any more than the status quo. If it wants to be seen as any sort of leader, it should be constantly testing the legislation with whatever evidence it can get instead of sitting on its hands and saying "we can't...". In the end, it's the only way to bring about change because the status quo will get so fed up it will ultimately have to listen. And forget Wirthless - he is only the Victorian president, nothing more, and has absolutely no credibility with anyone. Hot air and no substance.

Cheers
Nicky

Nicky said

My child substitutes? Maybe.
pale replies
I am just wondering why everybody especially males try to connect kids with animals.
I cant see the slightest connection.

Nicky said

The RSPCA basically pays lip service to animal welfare.

pale replies

There are only 82 inspectors across the whole of Australia.

RSPCA QLD are open 24 hours a day 7 days a week for intake.

All the branches are busy- with thousands of complaints often leading to charges and court cases.

At the risk of getting you off side may I suggest you have been mislead for years by thinking RSPCA are incharge of Inspections for farm animals as a rule.

Again I will tell you that issues such as transport of ( more than ten Animals)or mistreatment in poulrty etc of ( more than ten Animals) is passed over to DPI inspectors under their MOU agreement with State Government DPI.

RSPCA can not enforce new laws and codes of practices just because they would like to.

Anybody who is telling you RSPCA are happy with the size of pig sows -or sows at all or caged poultry or live exports is misinforming you.

DPI State Governments and in some cases Federal Government acts cross over into this area as I have said before.

The truth is Nicky RSPCA require strong membership and the public to lay the blame at the feet of those reasonsible.=Which is not them but the authorities who set the standards.

By attacking RSPCA over farm animals people are weakening animal welfare for all animals.

Surely you must now ask yourself if you are fair =Then why do AA attack RSPCA if they know about the DPI MOUs.?

Have I perhaps been mislead or misinformed. Is this about a fight for power or perhaps funding.


RSPCA have huge over heads Nicky and they do spend heaps on vets housing finding newhomes inspections court and a zillion other things.

Of course some branches are better than others like everything else.

Animals would have nothing if RSPCA were to loose position in favour of others.

Nicky
Dont you see that they have no powers and nowhere near enough staff.
Do you not think it would have ben better for the peak group AA to have instructed all their members to work with RSPCA and not against them.

Dont kid yourself that nobody in RSPCA gives a dam about Animals.

Many of their staff are paid two days but work another two or three.
When we were ready to take the whole of the Government departments to court pluss the industry= which is a huge case to court we had everything underway. =To force this Government to update Animal Welfare Lawsin Australia.


pale had the just retired X Crimes commissioner and some heavy councils with a team of fourteen of he best lawyers to assist with one council flying in from overseas.

We were ready to roll. I didnt want to rely on just asking Hugh Wirth alone to brief the council with background from each state so we asked AA.

All She had to do was supply the council with background and dates from diffent states which we did not have enough of.

We wrote and invited her and another to the coast all expenses paid to meet with council and discuss assisting.

We received a reply saying she never came to QLD and couldnt get away.

Three weeks later she came to Brisbane to a meeting.
We were the only ones in animal welfare not invited.

History now and hes a judge so cant do it and the other top bloke is retired.
So you tell me what the problem was with a district court case to bring about changes to the Animal Welfare laws that are a hundred years old that costs them nothing?

The diference is= RSPCA CEO was happy to open a trust account for the public to donate towards costs and the others were happy to take what they could because they really were doing it for the animals.

So who dipped out of helping the Animals Nicky Us or her?

IMO there is only one animal welfare group that actually does something to help all animals and that is the Humane Society.

No talk of vegeterianism, no conditions on wether or not they will help animals based on wether they are for human consumption. They are not governed by a need for media attention, they just get on with things behind the scenes.

The RSPCA is so easily manipulated by industry and is a puppet for the government.

PALE - no offense meant, I am talking about the big names here. That said, I am aware that you guys have been quietly helping a favourite cause of mine - thanks. I see the story made the Land this week.