Nicky

Why not attack the survey work PF has started.

We only have until March.

Surveys out in letter box drops and shopping center displays.

Dickie has taken it on down WA in her local area.


No Nicky Its "not safe" to assume Animals Australia have sent evidence to anybody regarding AWB.

They where unaware.

Kevin Rudds office as "Shadow Minister of Trade" also `claimed `they had no idea?

The then Shadow Minister of "Trade" claimed to be unaware of AWB being involved in the Live Trade. Umm

Well Gee Wiz I wonder whom advised Wesfarmers to dump it and mix it all up with the wheat board and the single desk in the middle of 60 minutes?
Any takers- Mr Vaile Downer ? Anybody?

And just to think AWB Peter`s office in QLD in charge of AWB live export division is only a stone throw down the road from Rudds and Andrews.

QLD is the largest exporter of cattle in Australia. Gee not a very well informed Shadow Minister - Or was he?

We contacted Downer and Vail`s office in late 2003 and again in 2004 about this.

AA and Mark Pearson requested documents to be sent them `showing` them the connection which were sent.

We suggested EVERYBODY together down at the AWB enquiry to get the message out to the public.

We alone ended up sending half a dozen strippers to stand out the front of the AWB Enquiry to highlight the connection.


FYI We also sent copies to Andrew Bartlett and asked `him` to raise the issue[ at the time] with the then Shadow Minister of Trade Kevin Rudd.

We asked Andrew why `he and Kevin were so quiet about AWB involvement in Live Animal Exports.?

For that matter Suzzanne why didnt Andrew ever pass it on to AA AL 'before hand.'

Especially given one of the 60 minutes reports came out within days of the AWB enquiry and held large public interest.


Just like to keep all these bits and pieces on record for any future use.

Mornin' all.

My previous post on WA's parliamentary process was simply an example. I am aware that the live trade exports is a Federal matter.

Nicky's suggestions have merit, however:

(1) I shall accept an offer from a State politician for him to ask a "question on notice" on my behalf in the State Parliament. The more publicity the better.

Federal Parliament conducts "Questions Without Notice" at 2pm daily. Does anyone know of a Liberal Pollie who may be seeking a moment of glory by asking Mr Rudd some embarrassing questions during that session in the House of Reps?

(2)......After "questions in parliament", I suggest writing to newspapers in every city and regional centres. Bent politicians generally survive on the silence or naivety of citizens and we should keep this issue alive in the press to keep the public better informed.

(3)......Futuristic: I would like to see a well publicised, National Public Forum conducted in a major city incorporating all animal welfare groups and concerned citizens - perhaps run over the course of a long weekend? Will require an extensive advertising programme, contacting sponsors etc and distribution of flyers.

I would like to recommend that:

a): Consider who to approach to chair the meeting - Lynn White perhaps?

b): Inform the media that we intend to ask Mr Rudd to open the Forum.

c): Send the official invitation to Mr Rudd requesting same.

d): Should Mr Rudd have "other commitments" we will publicly express our regrets and ask if he may be represented by his Minister

e): At completion of Forum, we will have "Question Time" where attendees' questions will be forwarded onto Mr Rudd for his comments unless we have managed to padlock the door to prevent his escape of course!

Having raised all these issues, I must now advise that my current personal commitments (moving, working, etc) will extend over the next couple of months so my contribution to the crusade, during that period, will be keyboard only.

Dickie

"Excellent" Pale will go along with actually doing `something`.
If you want to involve Lyn AA wont work with us- We are considered the black sheep remember. So we will leave it to Nicky and yourself to set up.

Dickie Said
Bent politicians generally survive on the silence or naivety of citizens.

Pale replies
Yes and also don’t forget that many newspapers and other media outlets are either owned or controlled by the Live Export interests and Industries

Even if its just fear of loosing their advertising contracts in regional areas it’s a problem and we need to send hundreds of letters if not thousands so they cant ignore it.

Before we do it we should write to the broad casting association and to all talk back radio shows warning them that miss information given out by talk back hosts will result in consequences.
Mostly they tell the public that the poor starving Muslims require Animals alive for religious purposes which is an insulting lie.
We should send a copy of this media Release from Muslim Leaders along with letters.
http://www.livexports.com/afic.html

Dickie said
Does anyone know of a Liberal Polly who may be seeking a moment of glory by asking Mr. Rudd some embarrassing questions during that session in the House of Reps?
Pale replies.
Well Considering Rudd is from QLD it would have the most coverage here I suppose.
Yes we think we can get somebody to do that.

Lyn White is a “great choice” however I would like to see someone like Tom Hannan the X Federal Leader of the AMIEU with her.

Just to give it some balance and ensure the media cant cast everybody off as an extreme veggie as they rely always rely on to discard main stream publics concerns as well.
Will leave to yourself and Nicky to approach Lyn White.
We will do our bit as posted above.
Would also like to assist PF survey

Personal Commitments here, -funeral after death Christmas Eve and then away from around January ten to twenty as a result.
Will do our very best.
Thanks Dickie

Dickie “Hopefully Col Rouge perused my last post on the abominable farming of battery hens.”

No dickie, I find the sort of drivel you peddle instantly ignorable.

My observation of the fringe loons who promote this sort of “animal activist" rubbish to be, generally, comfortably situated small minds who lack enough challenges to fill their day.

The world would be a better place if they focused their efforts in resolving how to reduce the demand for say battery eggs (viz smaller human population) rather than preaching to us “heretics” (who also have voting rights) or at least make some personal contribution to reducing world human population numbers by topping themselves.

Dickie “Hopefully Col Rouge perused my last post on the abominable farming of battery hens.”

"No dickie, I find the sort of drivel you peddle instantly ignorable."
(Col Rouge)

"Instantly ignorable?" I'm delighted to learn Col Rouge that you are sufficiently psychic to form an opinion of a post without actually reading it.

Unfortunately for you, the "sort of drivel" that you claim I peddle is not my "drivel" at all.

The information I posted was extracted from the findings by:

Professor Gregory Cook (Microbiologist)
University of Otago

and

Dr Gregor
Director of Public Health and Animal Agriculture
Humane Society of US
Graduate of Cornell University School of Agriculture
And: The Tufts University School of Medicine

"My observation of the fringe loons who promote this sort of “animal activist" rubbish to be, generally, comfortably situated small minds who lack enough challenges to fill their day."

Well that's odd Col Rouge. I don't imagine the eminent authors would be impressed unless of course you are more qualified than they?

"Challenges" eh? I notice that you have averaged more time banging the gums on OLO than I. Perhaps it is you who "lacks enough challenges to fill their day?"

And "fringe loons?" Dear me, Col Rouge. What does that mean? It's the rock apes that concern me the most!

You've gotta wonder how Col Rouge forms his/her opinions if he doesn't read the "drivel", propounded by world-leading scientists, but beyond that, and saying "if you have nothing meaningful (i.e worth reading) to contribute, go and annoy another thread" I shall dispense with those neanderthal remarks.

I'm still rather mystified by the AWB/live exports connection. I'm afraid. I don't see a clear link but that's not to say there isn't one. Wesfarmers no doubt has shares or interests in all sorts of entities including live export companies.

I meant, when I said AA would have forwarded material to the major players, its film footage and other evidence of the cruelty in the Middle East, not anything to do with AWB. Even if there IS a link, I suspect it may be too late to exploit it now.

Dickie, a "friendly Liberal politician" is a bit hard to find in my part of NSW, I'm afraid. It really is worth exploiting the job losses in the meat processing sector (40,000, with 150 plants shut down, according to the AMIEU) to bright, new, enthusiastic Labor politicians though. Graeme Haynes in WA is right up on all that.

I have circulated PF's survey as far as I'm able to do. I'm a little concerned that I may not have completed it as well as I should, because I made it clear that I knew exactly what free-range pig farming was, when perhaps I should have appeared more confused in a demand for "truth in labelling". PF, I'm open to advice on that one. And is there any more you can tell me about long-haul transport of pigs in Australia?

Thanks for the link, too - I sent them an enquiry under my business name so it will be interesting to see if they respond.
Nicky