Thanks to all that have filled out the survey and passed it on. Thanks also for all the offers of assistance.

I am not in control of this but did talk to the association committee over the weekend. They have a strategy in place and would want to stick with it. It revolves around a completely different approached to the current tactics used by animal welfare groups against intensive farming – one coming from within their own ranks (of the industry) that cannot be written off as extremists. No offense is meant by that, I am sure you understand were I am coming from.

They are not ready to take this to tv. The pressing issue at the moment is to determine just what people think free range is and use that information to press for a national standard for the production of free range pork and labelling laws that truthfully reflect the production system used. At this point it is an exercise in collection of information so the association can tackle this matter well armed.

So, for the time being, we need as many surveys collected as possible. Any imaginative ways of spreading the word would be appreciated.

Nicky – the industry does not make any mention of live export of pigs. You could approach Australian Pork Limited but they will give you the run around. As you can imagine, linking intensive farming with live exports is probably the last thing they need.

Hello dickie

Nice little spleen vent you had there.

Feeling over it now? Had a lay down and little sleep in the meant time?

When you trawl out the opinions of supposed eminent academics, many of whom spend a good part of their time sucking grants out from the public purse, you are going to get the opinion they are expected to give (academia has more whores than Kings Cross or St Kilda on a wet Saturday, except they specialise in suck, rather than blow, jobs).

As I said, “Asserting the same values of ”quality of life” one presumes for a person be applied to a critter is simply stupid.”

In other words, the chook does not possess the “cognitive” skill to care, so why should a load of higher primates “care” on behalf ot the chook unless they are lacking in things to care about.

If you were battling to find a job, maintain a family or dealing with some debilitating disease, you would not have time to bother with the living conditions of fowl.

You are free to pander chooks all you want but do not expect to be free to apply your dogma of the asinine to me or expect to force me to comply with the deluded and extremist ravings of the animal activists loons.

I recall a lot of people who had jobs in furriers who became unemployed because of the illegal and destructive antics of animal extremists.

Nicky,

“but it just seems sad that so many clearly intelligent, well-intentioned people eventually feel driven to respond in kind to people we know to be trouble makers.”

I guess you label me a “trouble maker”.

Well, get used to me. Labeling and ignoring your detractors will not make us disappear.
It is only more likely to seed ideas like infiltrating and sabotaging your cause from the inside, which would not be hard to do.

PF.

“ Perfect.”

Will distribute survey to as many as possible.

Hadn`t intention of mentioning pale at shopping centers or mail outs for same reason.

considering -close as a animal welfare organization as well to distance ourselves.

Respectfully suggest to others adopt like wise approach if assisting to distribute.

Nicky
Now there is a Christmas gift for you from PF-=. linking intensive farming with live exports ‘is probably the last thing they need’.[smile]

If you want data why not join some of the live export trade pages such as above.
Plenty if you hunt around. That one is a bit expensive- over two and a half grand but there are cheaper ones. Better still perhaps attend one of their seminars.
Don’t let them catch you out because as you can imagine their not very nice people. No just kidding. Others already go.
Happy new year Nicky, PF Dickie Yabby and to all posters.

Dickie Nicky
I will get the petition Re Rudd broken pre election promise done asap. Then put it up here so you can get it out to as many as possible. Will put it up on as many sights as possible.
To be perfectly honest as you are both not with any groups I strongly recomend you retain that position. Also Dickie your other suggestion of the forum inderpendant.
There is no reason Lyn coud not be a valued guest and poster .
We realy need for the Government to see the publics interest and they will fob us off as extremists if they are give any oportunity what so ever to do so.
Anyway I will leave it with yourselves and wait until I hear back re speaking to the correct Pollie.
Shall I.? Would you like me to contact Tom?
We will just leave it with you both other than doing the petition and wait for requests from you.

Happy new year Nicky, PF Dickie Yabby and to all posters.

Dear Dickie,

And I thought you were such a fair-minded person with a cause you cared so passionately about... my goodness, where did all that venom come from directed at me? I apologise to you - but I meant well.
I did not mean it as a personal criticism - merely to point out to you guys - what I had observed... and being critical of how many posts I put in - now that's low. This forum is what keeps me going at present because of my health problems at the moment. I was diagnosed with cancer last year - and I have some really rotten days.
This forum keeps me occupied.

Anyway, you've disappointed me. I may not know much, but I can tell the difference between chicken poop and chicken salad!

Gday foxy, please understand I am not crawling to you am a bit rough around the edges those who know me value my honesty even when disagreeing with me.
You truly are a great contributor to this forum.
Not because of your fight against cancer but your heart.
You must not forget that, we have lost fine posters here this very year who like you fought to remain in touch ,death had nothing to do with it the one I think of now was a great person, just like your are.
I post far too often in caps, I shout far too often.
It is always wrong but I do it.
I broke a promise of great value to myself, never to post in pale threads or invite comment from that group to remind you you are important to most of us.
Let 2008 be your best year post away your threads are great

Pale

I cannot respond to all your questions at present and proper planning and considerations will take much longer.

In addition, parliaments will not sit until February - March so no panic for the moment.

I shall attend to simple matters which is all I can get my head around for the time-being and will continue to email all on the Free-range Pig issue.

There are several issues which I don't believe should be raised on OLO, therefore we will need to speak direct in the near future.

And the ethics-free posters who invade this thread, promoting and endorsing animal cruelty, should not be privy to the methods we intend to implement for the humane treatment of other species.

Happy New Year to all compassionate friends and strangers and may the goodness and kindness of humanity be extended to the defenceless.

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