We didnt want to post Dickie- because the last two posts from PF and yourself were the best comments regarding Welfare to Animals for a long time.
However we didnt want a farmer to think Animal Welfare people were not interested in their comments either.

All Animal Groups can learn a lot through real farmers with real ideas.
Uh Sorry Yabbs you havent made the grade yet but keep trying for your new plants to be opended then I reckon we might listen a bit more to you as well.

Dickie
Perhaps you are busy moving.

The comments from PF regarding practicle steps are "very helpful" indeed.

There are some good ideas and approaches in that post.

Why not take advise from PF Dickie to stop the pigs travelling so far before slaughter?

PF wont work with us but might you.

It would be a step in the right direction for you to work with a Free Range Farmer Dickie and it certainly gives Animal Welfare people more clout.

We thought there were several plants in NSW and especially some gas plants for pigs. So we were not aware they were transported to QLD for slaughter.

We have heard conflicting reports re the gas for pigs.

Some say its much kinder. Others say its awful as they scream gasing for breath and panic because they can no longer breath.

Would be interested in any comments on that.
Re shipping pigs overseas for breeding-= Is it for breeding? or is it a ploy for intensive farming?
Dont see why they cant use artifical EX for breeding.

With Christmass coming up we have tried to organisaise free range pork and turkey for people with "no success."

Pehaps you could work together on that one.
Just an idea Dickie.
Its a good time to start the people thinking about where they buy their pork and other meats with Christmass just around the corner.

I will re post PFs comments after this.
I will [probably get my head bitten off] but for the animals its worth it.

PF Said
The live export of pigs seems to go unnoticed.

Most of the pigs sent overseas are trucked all the way from the Darling Downs in QLD. What a horrendous journey that would be for those animals. They come from intensive farms so the trip would be especially stessful.

These pigs are supposedly treated like first class travellers, probably because of their high value and the fact that the recieving country also appreciates them as such.

Now, you could say end live exports and there wouldnt be a reason to truck them all that way. But, I am still trying to make the point that you insist on misinterpreting: are the ships the real problem, or is it the destination?

I just think it makes more sense to ban exports to countries with such poor animal welfare standards and low regard for life. Break it down into a lot of small victories instead of settling for nothing less than complete abolition straight up.

Exporting only to countries that have equal or higher welfare standards than our own. That seems a good place to start, and far more likely to happen in the short term. If that happened, wouldnt the industry eventually crumble anyway?
Posted by PF, Friday, 2 November 2007 6:25:21 AM

Dickie why not get AA and others to launch a protest before christmass regarding pigs travelling to QLD oin trucks?
Babe was pretty popular with the public.
What Animal Welfare groups REALLY need is the faces of free range farmers on their promotions.
People WILL listen to the farmers themselves- Far more than JUST Animal Welfare Groups.
Mean time we will ask the RSPCA QLD to make a comment or M R on the issue .
Why not lobby KR Darling Downs? The time is right?
I hope yourself and PF can work together on this one.
It would be really good dickie

Pigs are sent from QLD to ports in WA, not to qld for slaughter.

“Re shipping pigs overseas for breeding-= Is it for breeding? or is it a ploy for intensive farming?”

The are raised intensively and no doubt will continue to be at their destination.

“Dont see why they cant use artifical EX for breeding.”

Not quite sure what the EX means, but they are exporting sows.

Free range xmas hams will be hard to find this year, demand is huge. Next year will be a different story I hope.

It is not my intention to turn this thread into a discussion on pigs. I used them as a means to get my point across. ( I hope)

Pf
No no We are happy to talk about pigs being sent to live exports and of course the long trips in trucks here in Australia.
So despite being told by a person in RSPCA to shut up about pigs we are very interested and wont shut up.
An Animal is an Animal and we are very interested to hear about these pigs going from QLD to WA. We often post about horses and cattle but your right- Pigs go live too. Did you know that Dickie?
I must addmitt we were caught out thinking because there was a ban on imports we didnt export them either.
Funny how thats not given a higher profile. Dickie perhaps we can work on that as well ?

PF If you have more info we would welcome it.
The only two shops on the gold Coast who sold free range pork and turkeys closed down.
Over a hundred people have been into Woolworths etcdemading free range Pork.
Did everybody the ABC news tonight?
I missed it but my sister called and told us to watch landline tomorrow at 12pm.
Its apparently a debate between Peter McGuaran and ALP.

We were told second hand the ALP were now saying if the Australian Public want live exports banned they would look at it.

I was speaking to their advisor over the last three weeks and he said- Wait- you might be surprised.
Of course I though he was just telling me more porkies like the Government.


It would make a wonderful difference to this country if they teach migrants how to free range farm and reopen abattoirs.

Dickie lets get some footage of the pigs being transported. We are in QLD and your in WA .
What do you say.?

They MUST open more plants and why are we sending live pigs to anywhere anyway?
Surley its more money and kinder to slaughter close to the area they come from and send the meat in a box.

Thank You for this vaulable information regarding pigs being sent on live exports.

Greetings friends and foes

And may the animal kingdom and all its creatures smile kindly upon you.

I've not "carked" it and no, I've not been assassinated.

I shall be back..........yes indeed, .........I shall return!

Dickie,
Greetings again 'ol friend!

Where 'art thou off to?