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Ok dickie, about your eight questions.
The first five are completely off topic and irrelevant to this conversation and I have no interest in answering them.
Q6. I don’t send livestock overseas.
Q7 Read the answer to Q6
Q8 You were referring to me? I don’t think so.

I am offended that you accuse me of torturing animals, what an outright lie. Back that up with some facts or keep your bitter, twisted comments to yourself. You, like that other fool, have no interest in finding real answers for the welfare of animals, you are only here for an argument and, for some unfathomable reason, to condemn people that are doing what they can to really change conditions for farm animals.

A foot in both camps dickie? Rubbish. I can tell you were you need a good foot ...

Your dreams of a vegetarian world are just that, dreams. You despise anyone that farms animals, the good and the bad. You would rather force these animals into extinction than have them consumed by humans. Your 'my way or the highway' attitude achieves nothing more than moving the problem to someone elses doorstep. Out of sight, out of mind - that makes it alright in dickies narrow view.

Pig Farmer

Your hysterical response clearly displays your obsession to defend an industry which is morally and ethically repugnant.

Blunder No 1: I am not a vegetarian

Blunder No 2: "You would rather force these animals into extinction."

Your presumption is preposterous and unworthy of comment.

Blunder No 3: You challenged me on a philosophical issue and I responded to that issue in questions 1-5. Your obtuseness, coupled with your reluctance to face the truth, prevents you from correctly analysing the contents.

Blunder No 4: "You, like that other fool, have no interest in finding real answers for the welfare of animals,"

PALE and I and millions of others already have the answer. That is to cease breeding animals for live export.

My sole intent is to lobby to prohibit live exports and nothing else. What you do after I have achieved that goal is entirely up to you.

However, I do not find debating with sadistic cretins enjoyable and particularly with those who invert the truth, dwell in the realms of denial and promote the barbaric practices perpetrated daily on defenceless animals.

Blunder No 5: "to condemn people that are doing what they can to really change conditions for farm animals."

We are those people Pigfarmer. We work consistently while you condone and endorse cruelty since you argue for live exports. You then promote yourself as a "free range" pig grower. I was impressed for a wee while. I have now concluded that your fiscal agenda has over-ridden any sense of morality that I wrongly perceived you possessed.

Blunder No 6: "A foot in both camps dickie? Rubbish. I can tell you were (sic) you need a good foot ..."

How very gracious of you Pigfarmer. Nevertheless, it is an aptly phrased threat from a hypocritical, unevolved housefrau, or would that be pigfrau?

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Yabby
I have to give Rojo`s info on Anthrax first as its good manners-

Rojo fyi- Vetinary Newsletter. To Members and Departmental staff. Infectious Diseases Unit Depertment of Human Services.
A Case Of Human Anthrax was identified in Victoria through survellience of knackery workers who have been exposed to infected cattle. The outbreak in cattle has effected 38 hers in @@@@@@@@ and Central Areas.
The human case was a old male who died. Public health measures are in place to prevent further human cases.
Meat from these carcasses had already been sold. Local Drs were advised of theoutbreak, provided with a fact sheet, and advised what steps to take .
Some of the meat was sent for local slaughter and others from the areas involved were sent to the live animal trade.
Case 2002 in QLD Anthrax
10 Animals died.
Southeast qld 1997
Rojo there are many examples and it requires a vigourous programe. Spourns last forever.
If I were protesting people eating meat I would certainly use some of these many examples.
However I am not against meat eaters simply because it actually backfires on the animals - So subject closed.
Yabby said
I’ve suggested slaughtering
animals humanely in Malaysia, you will not even consider it.
pale replies. Yabby you know DARN well I asked you to introduce some Malaysian Delegates to WA farmers and some Saudis . So what do you MEAN I would even consider it??
Read! again the sub from Muslim Leaders and HKM to the Animal Welfare Senate Enquiry.
Now if you are saying AA and Al dont support it- I agree but we started it. We kicked it off.
UNTIL certain people in AFIC did the dirty.
Thats ok - Theres plenty of good muslim people and Councils that will put their hand up to be new leaders.
Plenty Of Muslim both here and overseas ARE supporting slaughter here AND using pre stunning too.
AFIC were never acknowledged by Saudi or JAKIM anyway.
We will fight to have animals slaughtered HERE and whole carcuss sent to Maylasia- and on to ME through JAKIM.

"Live exports out of NZ have continued right up to the recent suspension."

Bollocks Dickie. New Zealand exported zilch animals for slaughter
last year. In fact the last time they sent sheep to Saudi
Arabia was 2003, then only a few. They simply don't need the
market, with their huge EU quota. So your ethics argument
is once again bollocks.

In fact it would be foolish to put sheep on a boat, when the
price received in the EU is higher then the live trade price.

The difference is so large, that a lamb slaughtered in NZ at
15 kg carcass weight, would be worth NZ 4.50 a kg to the farmer.
The same lamb in WA AU$ 1.50 a kg, IF there is slaughter space,
which there isn't. The first to admit that we need the live
trade, are local meat works.

Your obsession with the live trade is your problem, however irrational.
Religious extremists are not rational either,
just obsessed.

If you wanted to ban the live trade, you would have to ban all
feedlots, for you can't give me a reason why a feedlot that floats
is so different from one that doesent. Some of those new boats
in fact have far better conditions then most Aussie feedlots.

But continue to call me names and insults, it gets it off your
chest. Irrational rants are fairly common on OLO, when people
have no rational arguments to make.

Clearly its not animals that you care about, or you would assist
us to improve things for Midde East animals. Clearly you can't
be bothered.

Take a breath dickie or you may choke on your overuse of vomitile language.

Hmmmm... interesting, I mentioned a fool and you immediately assumed it was PALE.

I used to think you were someone with a little integrity, but i have to concede with the general opinion of this forum - dickie by name, dick ... by nature.