PF
Why bag a person who has the support of ALL Animal Welfare Groups.

Has it not occured to you Dickie would most likely support your cause for Free Range Pig Farming in prefernce to Intensive Pig farming.
PF said-
You would rather force these animals into extinction than have them consumed by humans.

pale replies-

Huh? Are you for real ? I wouldnt miss a heart beat if I could do just that. I would have thought that much would be clear even to you.
God just imagine no more Animals for live exports and Intensive Farming- NO MORE SUFFERING. Where do we sign up for that!

Another thing - Why do you have to be so crude? You have always taken your insults too far and attacked people personally.
Now your doing it it Dickie.
Look at Yabby- He manages to get everybody upset and offside without being down right crude.

Dickie- Maybe Yabby has the Answer in sorts. Let NZ sort Australia out as we seem too stupid and corrupt to do it ourselves.

Just remember this- The Industry will drive the trade so if anybody is REALLY interested to improve conditions for Animals they MUST get involved in the Industry.

It has to be a big operation because a few small time plants will be sqeezed out. We have to hit hard and play rouge like the live exporters do.

We have to aim to hurt and destroy these evil bastards.

We need to name names. People involved. Shame them!

Every Animal Slaughtered here is An Animal Saved from the cruel live trade.
If people are not prepaired to help the animals by demanding they are killed here then Yabbys right in so much as its just dreams.

We need to do more than lobby the Government and Industry Dickie. They are not listening.
We need to reopen plants dealing direct with people from overseas. We need to build our own contacts free from Government and MLA and Austrade etc.

-Support the Greens.

"That is to cease breeding animals for live export.
My sole intent is to lobby to prohibit live exports and nothing else. What you do after I have achieved that goal is entirely up to you."

What Dickie is basically saying here, is that she wants to force
the closure of half of the West Australian sheep industry, based
on her obsession.

She clearly has no concerns for those thousands of farming families.
She clearly has no concerns about improving animal welfare in the
Middle East. Just send Aussie farmers broke, thats fine it seems,
it will solve everything. Then she claims to be compassionate and
caring. Bollocks!

Yelling out insults on OLO is her justification. Never mind any
reasoning skills, never mind the reality of the situation in Western
Australia regarding labour, present attempts to build various
plants, never mind anything. Her obsession is all that matters here.
Shame on you Dickie. You should be ashamed of yourself.

At least Pale, for all their faults, have enough understanding of
reality to think beyond that. You clearly cannot and will not

"Live exports out of NZ have continued right up to the recent suspension," said Dickie.

(1) October 2007:

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22672981-5005961,00.html

"A spokeswoman for New Zealand's Ministry of Agriculture and Forestry said only one company currently exports live animals for meat from New Zealand.

"That company sends sheep to Japan to be fattened ahead of eventual slaughter. Because the animals are not killed immediately, it's uncertain if the shipments will be stopped, the spokeswoman said."

"She said New Zealand's controversial live export of sheep to the Middle East last occurred in 2002."

(2) Excerpt - October 2007 (slightly conflicting):

http://www.abc.net.au/rural/news/content/2007/s2075270.htm

New Zealand has banned live exports pending the outcome of a legislative review into the trade.

It follows a report into the treatment and handling of livestock during their shipment and slaughter overseas.

Regular shipments of live sheep to the Middle East ended some years ago, with mainly breed sheep and cattle still sent to markets including China, Mexico and South America.

John McLaughlin from the Veterinary Association has welcomed the ban.

"I still think the welfare line is the bottom line in all this".

Yabby's scornful retort:-

"Bollocks Dickie. New Zealand exported zilch animals for slaughter
last year. In fact the last time they sent sheep to Saudi
Arabia was 2003, then only a few. They simply don't need the
market, with their huge EU quota. So your ethics argument
is once again bollocks."

By joves, Yabby. You are a blunderbuss! And "bollocks" to you too!

All the information you boasted about was raised to deceive. Simply made up as you went along, callously insisting that the animals enjoy a wonderful sea voyage. You earn the title for our resident Rene Descartes, unopposed!

You see Yabby, we provide facts to the best of our ability. You on the otherhand will stoop very low to belittle your opponents.

Let's face it, Yabby. You're a lightweight hanging in with the big boys hoping for small change. Pretty pathetic eh?

New URL:
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"Because the animals are not killed immediately, it's uncertain if the shipments will be stopped, the spokeswoman said." "

Hehe Dickie, did they give you the names of the sheep that went
to Japan?

Perhaps you should read the NZ Herald sometime.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/topic/story.cfm?c_id=193&objectid=10471934

Virtually zilch sheep were exported for meat from NZ last year,
apart from Friedrich and Hilda of course :) Oops. I forgot them.

Google the SPCA claim, all they talk about is NZ's reputation.

So unlike Australia, NZ does not export live sheep and have now
banned what they don't do and don't need to do.

Are you really such a sucker, or do you just want more propaganda
for your obsession?

Thats the fun of debating with you Dickie. You get so angry that
you can't think straight and when you can't think straight, you make
one stupid mistake after the other.

Perhaps you need that course in emotional intelligence after all :)

"Why bag a person who has the support of ALL Animal Welfare Groups.

Has it not occured to you Dickie would most likely support your cause for Free Range Pig Farming in prefernce to Intensive Pig farming."

Enlighten us pale. You and dickie think you know who I am, you both think you know Yabby intimately, we all know who pale is, dickie is the only one spitting venon from behind a veil.

PF
Well look whos telling Porkies now ah. Wasnt so long ago you posted about your trip to visit our old Yabbs with promises to do it again soon.

Regargless of whom people are nothing is wrong with people bar their intention.


Dickie NZ used to be huge in the live Animal trade. Second only to Australia who shamefully are the largest dealers in sending animals alive in the world.
However NZ did what we are asking everybody else here to help us do- They got stuck into plenty of new Abattoirs and reopening old abattoirs as well.
They employed heaps of Halal Slaughtermen.
I am in your camp Dickie. I am on your side and the Animals side.
I just wish ALL Animal Welfare Groups would get involved in doing just what NZ did.

There is absolutly no reason why many of these plants can not be run through a NFP organisation.- None. Especially when its clear their is such a great oprtunity to tapp into several ministers and funding such as the Federal and State Ministers for empoyment, health Aboriginal affairs just to mention a few.
Going one step futher there is NO reason why the Aboriginal people cant be set up to build new ships to carry meat and vegetable and small goods.
Australian owned ships carrying Australia brand products is what we need.
We love Animals as much as the average person but we understand people get tired of hearing about the cruelty and misery of the live trade instead of "how we are going to FIX IT?."
A little Secret
A gentleman who slaughterd in Oz and NZ by the name of Mr Jim Dwyer who is now into his 80s and resides on the Gold Coast. He was very much involved in Abattoirs and sending stock alive to ME- Until he went there himself.
He spoke along with three other people about the Live Trade to the then NZ Prime Mininster.
He predicted also what the end result would be for a short sited Australia-