Dickie
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http://www.farmonline.com.au/news_daily.asp?ag_id=46995

Breaking Rural News : LIVESTOCK

Red meat crisis meeting maps WA industry future
Australia
Monday, 19 November 2007

Some 380 Western Australian graziers have turned out for a red meat crisis meeting in Bunbury, venting their anger but also mapping a path for the industry's future.
WAFarmers meat section president, Mike Norton, says Thursday's the meeting was about understanding the issues that have contributed to the current desperate price situation, as well as identifying solutions.

Producers were given the opportunity to question a panel including representatives from Harvey Industries, Western Meat Parkers Group, and WA Agriculture Minister Kim Chance's Office.

"The producers threw some tough questions at the panel and weren't happy with some responses," Mr Norton said.

"This meeting wasn't just about naming and shaming processors or retailers, or about producers venting their concerns, it was also about establishing a path forward which would help the producers remain in the industry and re-establish profitability in their operations."

The 380 producers voted positively for several motions which they believed would assist in enabling them to continue their operations in WA. They include:

* that a farmer-owned service kill facility be established along side a saleyard facility in WA;

* that the WAFarmers and PGA Meat Councils be responsible for eliminating buying collusion in saleyards (including reviewing the practice of commission buyers and stock agents having multiple buying orders);

* that the farmer organisation groups start a public campaign to point out the irresponsible practice associated with Coles trucking beef from Queensland when they can buy beef from WA;

* that the State Government be requested to immediately instigate action to provide all environmental clearances, within 14 days, for T&R's North Dandalup plant;

* all effort is taken to ensure retail costs increase to cover the cost of production of WA red meat products; and

* that the charter of MLA be expanded to include the area of ‘producer profitability’.

Mr Norton said the biggest challenge would be increasing the prices paid to the farmer

It may help to post ideas how to point out live exports are Haram to Muslim customers.

If handled in the right manner and not in an offensive way it may assist.
Mohammad had a psycholical obsession with urine and feces.
In fact he spent a great deal of his time teaching on this subject.'
much of the koran is based on these beliefs.

He was so obsessed with the subject that he taught that if someone got urine on his clothes or body, they suffered hell fire in the afterlife!

One of the major sins is not to protect oneself[ones clothes or body from urine.

Once the Prophet, while passing one of the grave yards of Medina or Mecca, heard the voices of two persons being tortured in their graves.
It was said they had eaten the flesh of an Animal that had been urinated on by another animal before slaughter.

There by making that Animal haram- or fobidden to eat.

If the Muslim People were to be educated of the `utter cruelty` of Animals stacked up in six tear ships one on top of each other with urine and feces then they would be aware those animals were Haram and they "would be forbidden to eat them."!

Mohammaded was obsessed with cleaniness.

A clever Saudi Maylasian etc company could take control of Halal Meat from Australia direct with farmers simply be playing by 'their rules' in the ME.

Educating the people their that Live imports are Haram.

As Animals are blined by the acid of having other animal above them urinate and it blown into their eyes by the wind live exports are Haram to Muslims.[forbidden]

With MLA assisting to form links and joint ventures with ME customers and Ausie farmers it is providing Halal products and farms while putting Animal Welfare first.

This approach if adopted by lets say Animals Australia for example would go a long way towards improving not only Animal Welfare but future employment for regional areas and disease free Halal products for our Muslim customers.

http://www.livexports.com/cowgun.html

http://www.farmonline.com.au/news_daily.asp?ag_id=47015

Just a reminder to readers that the elections this saturday are an oportunity to tell ALP and Liberal how you feel about the way we treat our Animals in the cruel live trade.

A vote for the Greens will give them more power in the Senate to finally do something towards reopening abattoirs to faze out this cruel industry asap.


Work towards forming friendships with the Muslim members of our community to form Muslim Animal Welfare groups.

Some of these people are well informed and dedicated Animal Lovers.
Many friendships between the everyday Aussies and our Muslim Australian can only be a good thing.
Especially For the Animals.

Pale replies.

Dickie Antje has brought your comments to my attention.

Let me assure you nobody is trying to cease your approach to your work for animals.

“Quite the opposite.”

Malice from those who regauged us as their competitors is an absolute fact.

You failed to comment about the brumbies. Says a lot.

Originally I was called in to help a lady from Japan who was being bullied by a well known large organisation.

There were two others in China with the same problem.

What was their crime - You may ask?

Simply that they were trying to start up their own little Animal Welfare organisation to help stray dogs etc

So it’s not just in Australia but a world wide approach to black list and bullies others out of Animal Welfare.

Interesting isn’t it.

Right down to having had plants sent into peoples private homes where meetings are held to tell people not to join their little group.

I am HAPPY to take PETA on any day!

black listing and slandering of pale is what became tedious dickie.
That is when I stepped in so please do not make judgement about something you know nothing about.

It is not their right or job or place to hand down decrees in ordering others to cease my bi-partisan approach to this issue.

We say open plants. They say we can’t work with people opening abattoirs and rattle the tin.

For Christ Sake dickie then how are we ever going to stop it?
What` the point of protesting?

There is something horribly wrong with the structure of these organisations going way back and pale is trying to educate people and expose the problem.



Fact Dickie- When you are a peak organisation of anything that does not give you the right to black list the larger majority of the public.

That’s the point Antje been making.

Even McGauran agrees to that one.

By speaking out now its eventually going to help animals.

Even if you cant grasp it others will.

Its political and shameful.

Dickie
I am going to add that I agree with yabby about with Yabby about basic manners.
You started this thread and we although very busy have bent over backwards to support you.

You do some wonderful work and I know you are dedicated after you contacted me by phone.

However look at the comments and helpful tips about working with Muslim People and many other tips.

No comment from you. See this is what I mean. Especially as this is your thread that quite rude of you to do that to Antje or anybody else.

Dr Wirth is no personal friend of mine after not even replying to our invitations to meet with the muslim Leaders of Australia and overseas Muslim leaders to discuss finding alternatives to live exports- but
I will agree with one thing he has always said- in fact two.

Dr Wirth when he was President of the RSPCA said- You can not sit down and talk to these people.

They walk on a higher moral ground.

He also said that Animal Welfare organisations had a history of inta fighting and refusing to get along and work together for the animals.
He went on to say that until that happend and all groups worked together - Nothing would change.
He was right about both those facts.

We are always supporting AA AL and many others.

We send info and suggestions that in the past they have poo hood then shortly after ALWAYS ran with our ideas.

Dawn Low in WA does the best work along with some people from PACAT but we seldom hear about it.

Christa who runs Animals Angels in Germany has long expressed her utter frustration with Glenyse attitude.

I would like to see a change by puting Mark Pearson and Lyn White and Dawn up as leaders.

No Dickie- not pale. I am too busy BUT it would be "good to have people we can work with'!

For the Animals.

Time to move on pale ....