"Live exports out of NZ have continued right up to the recent suspensions," said Dickie

I assumed the above contents of that statement contained a degree of clarity.

No so for our neurologically defective Yabby. The following is his response, and his endeavours to manipulate the contents of the statement (apologies for the reiteration)

"Bollocks Dickie. New Zealand exported zilch animals for slaughter
last year. In fact the last time they sent sheep to Saudi
Arabia was 2003, then only a few. They simply don't need the
market, with their huge EU quota. So your ethics argument
is once again bollocks."

1) FACT: Dickie's statement referred to "live exports" only. It made no reference to animals for slaughter, sheep or exports to Saudia Arabia. Yabby's intellectual defects become more apparent.

"In fact it would be foolish to put sheep on a boat, when the
price received in the EU is higher then the live trade price" says resident sociopath, Yabby.

2) FACT: A Saudi owner was preparing for the export of 100,000 live sheep out of New Zealand when this week's suspension occurred.

http://nz.news.yahoo.com/071030/3/28do.html

3) FACT: In April of this year, NZ exported 35,000 live sheep to Mexico.

http://www.nzfarmersweekly.co.nz/article/6830.html

4) FACT: While New Zealand's live animal exports have somewhat diminished (thankfully), they have continued to export live deer, goats and cattle for slaughter. Last year saw New Zealand's largest exports ever for live deer.

5) FACT: NZ also exports live rodents (for experimental research to Japan), live marsupials and ferrets.

And the Yabbys continue to strut among us under a mask of "sanity." The "rogue network of liars" - "the subterranean rodents" who scuttle from their burrows to attack when they fear that ordinary folk may become sufficiently informed or motivated to seek the truth about the ships of shame.

Can we now look forward to New Zealand working towards abolishing the retardation of decency and morality that has operated under the guise of "Trade" and which ignominiously continues to operate in Australia by those with impeded, moral development?

Dickie, what is your view of the live export of pigs? You mention every other animal including rodents, but not pigs.

Is it because conditions on board a ship so closely mimic those in an intensive production facility that they dont rate a mention?

“"Live exports out of NZ have continued right up to the recent suspensions," said Dickie
”I assumed the above contents of that statement contained a degree of clarity.”

Nope Dickie, your statement contained a degree of propaganda which was
in fact false.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/topic/story.cfm?c_id=193&objectid=10471934

As the Herald article makes clear, virtually zilch animals were exported for
slaughter last year, so it’s a non issue.

Yes NZ animals, including sheep, were exported for breeding, to the value
of 49 million $, that is going to continue, nothing changes,
so your above statement is in fact wrong.

To be clear and accurate, your statement should have noted that live
exports from NZ will continue, but animals exported for slaughter,
of which there were virtually none last year, will cease. Big difference!

Fact is that NZ lamb production is dropping, as farmers bail out of
lambs and convert to intensive dairy farming, to fill orders from China,
as demand for dairy products is skyrocketing. What was that you said
about ethics? Hehe

"So unlike Australia, NZ does not export live sheep and have now
banned what they don't do and don't need to do.

"Are you really such a sucker, or do you just want more propaganda
for your obsession?

"Thats the fun of debating with you Dickie. You get so angry that
you can't think straight and when you can't think straight, you make
one stupid mistake after the other," says Manuel alias Yabby

Ooohhh.....ha ha ha. More of your Fawlty Towers, Manuel? Ooh... now now, Manuel, keep both hands on the keyboard whilst you type your fantasies. Oohhh wah....... tsk tsk, naughty, rude boy Manuel. Help......Basil.......help.. is anybody there....agh.......!

http://nz.news.yahoo.com/071030/3/28do.html

http://www.nzfarmersweekly.co.nz/article/6830.html

http://www.abc.net.au/rural/news/content/2007/s2070137.htm

New URL:
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/the-beautifl-festival-of-ashura-warning-graphic-photos

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PF

I love pigs. They are highly intelligent. However, it wouldn't matter if they weren't.

It is pointless asking those who care about animals if they like a specific species. They are all equal.

Rodents are OK also with the exception of those who swagger and sneak about on 2 legs!

This is affection is baffling to the intensive farming industry who are incapable of comprehending why others regard all species as equal and as sentient beings.

It is also galling when Mr Malcolm Turnbull, in his quest for popularity, publicly declares:

"Australia objects to the Japanese whaling fleet because we love the animal." Such hypocrisy from our "honourable" leaders!

http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:qbxBgFcOP4EJ:webdiary.com.au/cms/%3Fq%3Dnode/1367/print+abattoirs+jobs+lost+live+sheep+exports&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=4&gl=au&lr=lang_en

"I do however as a farmer myself have some sympathy for those among us who find themselves economic hostages to a trade that the majority of Australians find abhorrent.

"But we too must share some of the tarnish, for our industry leaders have not been pro-active in the past 25 years in seeking to have our livestock slaughtered in Australia.

"Instead we have seen abattoirs close all over the country, with long distances now being travelled by animals to the remaining meatworks, at ever increasing cost to the animals the consumers, and to the farmers.

"We, through our leaders’ failure, also failed to seize the day.

"It was not just animal liberationalists who first demonstrated in the 1980s against the live export trade.

"They were joined by worried meatworkers: a strange alliance. The live export industry simply cannot talk of jobs gained without acknowledging jobs lost and exported.

"The development of the chilled meat trade would have not only retained jobs in Australia, it would have created more.

"The live export industry is in heavy seas and the pressure on it from the animal welfare movement will continue to grow, as will the cost of trying to defend it.

"But it is never too late to change. Other industries have had to, and I personally will not be sorry to see the last livestock ship sent to the scrap yard. In that I know I am not alone."

The live export of pigs seems to go unnoticed. Its not an issue I had planned to bring up because they are exported as breeding stock and not for slaughter. But, if you want ALL live trade stopped, they become relevant.

Most of the pigs sent overseas are trucked all the way from the Darling Downs in QLD. What a horrendous journey that would be for those animals. They come from intensive farms so the trip would be especially stessful. My biggest concern for them is the actually road trip, it would have to be longer and more uncomfortable than the 5 days they spend on a ship.

These pigs are supposedly treated like first class travellers, probably because of their high value and the fact that the recieving country also appreciates them as such.

Now, you could say end live exports and there wouldnt be a reason to truck them all that way. But, I am still trying to make the point that you insist on misinterpreting: are the ships the real problem, or is it the destination?

Honestly, I see their road trip as far more cruel than the sea voyage.

Yes, there have been, and still are, welfare issues on ships, but they can be sorted with enough pressure. I just think it makes more sense to ban exports to countries with such poor animal welfare standards and low regard for life. Break it down into a lot of small victories instead of settling for nothing less than complete abolition straight up.

Exporting only to countries that have equal or higher welfare standards than our own. That seems a good place to start, and far more likely to happen in the short term. If that happened, wouldnt the industry eventually crumble anyway?