Dickie
Dont tell me let me guess. Your under intructions not to talk to pale.

Tell me please- Whats the POINT of protesting intensive factory farming and live exports if everbody refuses to work towards the alternative?
Better still - give me your opinion why we would been seen as the enermy because we are actually trying to DO something instead of complaining and fund raising?

Its Christmass soon but STILL no Free Range Hams!

I have not trying to offend you Dickie but I noticed you didnt answer.

Yabby Said-
All processors that I know, could easily
increase exports to Europe and there is demand there for product,
if Australia's quota was increased. Fletcher will confirm that,
he's tried hard to get the quota raised, but failed.

pale replies
Now tell dickie Why its not increased Yabby- Tell the truth!
You and I BOTH know why.
Yabby Said
EPA problems that take years to resolve, the WA Minister of Ag
is not interested.
Pale Comments.
Dickie- There you go. Blind freddy can see this is to protect the Live Trade Industry.
Tell you what Yabby
The ONLY way to get that sorted is by getting Saudi or Malaysia to talk to the WA Government. Our Government doesnt listen to Aussies - or didnt you notice.
The bottom line IS The Meat Industry Dickie will always control the meat trade- be it frozen or live.
If you want to change things in the Middle East- you do Aussie deals with them.
Thats not hard trust me. All we need is a fair go and for MLA and Austrade along with a few others to get out of our way and stop protecting their mates in the live Industry.

There are plenty of rich Muslims VERY interested in Australia`s disease Free Green products.

Its called TRDAE and Its supposed to be done by the Government.
Whats worse is - They BLOCK us from doing their job!

"Dickie, if I was about profits, I would not be in farming, but in banking, insurance, or managing your super fund."

Stick to the blood money and your wholesale export slaughter Yabby - no skills required!

The largest, self-professed atheist (the infidel) on OLO has now become extremely pious and a sycophant to Islam, its ideologies and extremism.

More blood on your hands, Yabby.

"Dickie, Dont tell me let me guess. Your under intructions not to talk to pale."

PALE, I have no idea what you are getting at. If you are suggesting that I am discussing you with other Animal Welfare groups then you are way off. In addition, I have no intention of becoming involved in the politics to which you allude.

"Tell me please- Whats the POINT of protesting intensive factory farming and live exports if everbody refuses to work towards the alternative?"

Complaining and fund-raising are what one does in a democracy, PALE and all complainants ARE working towards an alternative.

All those who "complain and fund-raise", exclusively to halt live exports are by default, supporting your crusade for more abattoirs in Australia PALE even if they desist from any dialogue with your Committee.

I concur PALE, local abattoirs are the current alternative to live exports even if the slaughtering aspect conflicts with people's ideologies (though PF's recommendation also has much merit!)

However, people are entitled to lobby in their own fashion. Joining a group or committee is not a mandatory requirement as you appear to suggest. Some people are not groupies.

In a personal sense, OLO is not the only avenue for my own crusade. I am active in other areas also where I continue to expose the heinous behaviour of the subterranean rodents who operate under a mask of civility.

And similar to the rodents, I too at times operate by stealth. That's what one must do when dealing with rodents!

Pale, your true enemies are the cockroaches and rodents governing the Commonwealth and state parliaments, and the evil, greedy bastards who grow animals purposely to expose them to a life of abject misery.

"Stick to the blood money and your wholesale export slaughter Yabby - no skills required!"

Life and death are part of nature Dickie. You clearly don't work
enough with nature, to understand and accept that. As to finance,
I have the skills, that pays the bills, certainly not agriculture.
IMHO your are not stupid, but your philosophy is flawed.

"The largest, self-professed atheist (the infidel) on OLO has now become extremely pious and a sycophant to Islam, its ideologies and extremism."

I am well known on OLO for saying that I don't respect what people
believe, but I respect their right to believe it, if that is their
lifestyle choice. As long as they don't try and make their beliefs
compulsory, thats ok with me.

Pale, I think Dickie has made her philosophies fairly clear in
her many posts. She is against farming of animals and meat eating
in the first place. There are a whole bunch of veggies espousing
a similar philosophy as her's, around the place. One wrote a letter
to this week's Weekly Times. They want farmers to stop breeding livestock,
to the point where many of the domesticated species
that we have had a human/animal association with for thousands of
years, reach the point of near extinction in Australia.

The fact that many farm animals indeed have happy and enjoyable
lives, is conventiently forgotten. I've run into these philosophies
before, in a campaign to save a rare species in Africa. The
bottom line was that it was better for a species to go extinct,
then have individuals of that species in any kind of human
captivity. Its kind of sad that the animals don't get a say in
all of this. They might well disagree

Dickie



Feared offending you- Sorry. Just laying out facts.

Suspect you `are` in contact with groups however it’s a matter for you if you don’t wish to disclose anything.

Thanks your efforts help - again we were not trying to be offensive.

Please print this read it when you have quite moment..
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It holds the key into what needs to be researched.

To understand fully requires back ground

That’s difficult given limited space.

FYI- @@@ self appointed leading Umbrella of Animal Welfare in Australia who also guide Animal Liberation and many other groups- has instructed their member groups not to work or speak with us.

We assumed that were the case with yourself having experienced it many times before.

That is despite the fact we work in conjunction with RSPCA QLD to protest live Animal Exports.[ Or possible because of it who knows[]-

This is also despite the fact we are the only people to have formed MOUs with Muslim leaders both here and overseas to tackle the cruelty of live exports. Islam will be a big part of Australia and its better we work together encouraging better Animal Welfare.

For the first time not only in Australia but in the world we had a Media Release from Muslim Leaders speaking out in support of Lyn White.

That’s why it was done Dickie- to support her wonderful brave tireless work.

Come on Dickie that’s a huge shot in the arm for the Animals. Think about it.

To have Australian Muslims speaking out and working united “more importantly” working together shoulder to shoulder with the Australian public to find an alternatives.-

@@@ were invited to meetings with Muslim Leaders of Australia Malaysia and Middle East Contacts to discuss this along with Dr Hugh Wirth dozens of times.

That resulted in us being black listed not only in Australia but world wide.

This extends to WSPA which is headed by Dr Hugh Wirth the X President of RSPCA Australia.

Interesting twist isn’t it.

Supported by the CEO of RSPCA UK and members of the board from@@. Umm To be Contiuned

Continued

The application for pale to join WSPA was regected.

What does this mean... It “ DOES” give Peter’s comments on Land Line at least “some substance” .

Peter McGauran’s has a valid point.
However “ that is where it stops.”

He knows the Government chose to “only deal” with Vegetarian organisations.

Makes it easy to discredit people like yourself.
We are angry with Peter because he knows we raised this.

We pointed out to that Australia is a meat eating country and others wanted represent the balance of the main stream public.

We asked his office to establish a new registry Of Animal Welfare board giving `everybody` equal hearing.

Many people have been denied meetings with the Government by them saying-

"The public are already being represented by Animals Australia."

So it’s a bit disingenuous of him now to brand all public as extreme.

It`s been a political game for too many years. The wink wink nod nod between Andrew and the Democrats and @@is outrageous.

The utter disregard for people from his “own electorate” while he worked exclusively with vegetarian groups.


Be assured Dickie the ONLY thing that will make a difference is REALLY supporting Free Range Farmers.

Not just lip service. If I were a member making regular donations to either RSPCA AA AL or any other group I would want to know my funds were going to make a difference to the Animals.

Not to play politics. Not to pay for wages trips.

To get stuck in and buy up farms and get advice from farmers.

Compete within the Industry to introduce improvements.

Breed cruelty free products and advertise the health benefits

If people are serious get involved WITH the Industry and Farmers not make arch enemies out of them.

In return that gives the Government some direction. Let’s face it what politician knows dit about farming anyway.
Not hard if everybody gets involved.
Impossible with people purposely blocking you.

Yabby
Oh Yabbs but arn`t you the little torment. I seem to remember asking you some time ago if you used to pull the wings off flies when you were a kid.
Your calling Dicky a Veggie and I seem to remember she`s already said in fact she eats meat.
You and I shouldn’t speak of vegetarians as second class people either. Vegetarians are the most moral people on earth. There sensible too as its far healthier.

Dicky is rightfully upset with farmers who don’t give a SH about sending their animals off knowing the barbaric treatment they face.

I share the sleepless nights. I understand. I plot and plan how to make a difference. How to get Animals Slaughtered here at least.

However I also share your frustration too. I share the farmers frustration as well having been led down this one track street. I even understand up to a point their anger at what they see as being targeted.

I also get sick of the pictures- the petitions- the campaigns the fund raising- the articles- because at the end of the day it achieves very little.

I am frustrated that groups who have a responsibility to make changes can`t see nothing will change until we group together and do it ourselves!

It can be done. It’s a big job yes. It requires everybody to pull together yes. However its doable.

- Your mind interreges me. Why is it so difficult for you to understand any caring person would be absolutely delighted if some animals were no longer bred for farming.
I have seen your comments on euthanasia and you show compassion and common sense. Possibliy this is a result from a boarder line fear. However I cant understand that you cant understand some of us- in fact many would only wish the same for the animals.
They feel fear pain confussion sadness happiness and even get depressed.
Would you prefer your kids were never born if you knew that they would be put through similar? Then why should we want less for our beautiful Animals.