“Do you know why ? Because NZ made a promise to faze out the cruel live
trade and actually worked towards it.”

Bollocks Pale. It was part of an agreement reached when Britain joined the EU.
Australia were bad negotiators, its as simple as that. Your Mr Fletcher has made
every effort to increase the EU quota, no luck sorry.

“They also wanted to keep the jobs in NZ and its worked well for them.”

Pale, this is where you lose credibility. You continue with your mantra, when
you actually know the true story. You know that nobody in WA wants those
jobs, due to the mining boom. You would also know that 80% of Australians
drive imported cars, so if you really wanted jobs, you could force people to
drive locally made cars. Don’t single out agriculture to pick on.

“of COURSE if we stop others will follow by example”

More bollocks Pale. That’s just a claim by the veggie brigade, for which they
have no evidence. .

If you think that they so pay attention to Australian opinion, then you will
have no problem accepting that we can have a huge influence on animal
welfare in the Middle East, with our influence, which you deny. Not
very logical of you at all.

Clearly the Middle East is not even the issue here. I’ve suggested slaughtering
animals humanely in Malaysia, you will not even consider it.

AA, AL and Dickie, don’t even want them slaughtered in the first place.
They clearly don’t understand the laws of nature and what happens
when herbivores keep multiplying without a check in population.
It’s a sad story, it really is:

http://dieoff.org/page80.htm

Yabby
I have given you the benefit for a long time about some things you say because I THOUGHT you were simply misinformed by reading "some web pages"
However I now agree with Dickie that your attempt to post lies IS deliberate!
You know very well it was US who first held meetings with Malaysia Delegates to slaughter here and export the carcass as well us working to open co joint plants.
So DONT say we won’t even consider it.
You know full well pale working with Muslim Leaders from not only Australia but Malaysia put this to the Senate Enquiry into Animal Welfare.
You also know not RSPCA National Animals Australia Animal Liberation or anybody else supported it!
You also KNOW the we have been very public regarding Senator Andrew Bartlett’s lack of interest in this programme.
You know as well we often requested people from all these organisations and others including yourself to meet with ME and Malaysian contacts.
So your lies ARE deliberate.
Yes AA AL etc DONT support opening abattoirs DESPITE claiming they do.
Anybody who really cares WILL assist to open more abattoirs HERE in Australia.
Sorry Dickie but that IS the bottom line.
We are not trying to make anything of ourselves Yabby.
I personally would LOVE to retire but we KNOW if we do nobody in Animal Welfare will be actually dealing direct with Muslims to open here many more Halal Plants using pre stunning.
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http://www.halakindmeats.com/submissions.html

paleif, I did ask you to post some details on the last Australian death from anthrax as I couldn't find one, not in the last 30 years anyway.

dickie, so because our govt doesn't seek clemency for foreigners somehow this justifies animal group inaction in the ME. We should only look after our own?

Dickie, have I at any time said I support live exports? I have asked the question on transport and wether or not the ships are the real issue, rather its what happens at the other end. Its unfortunate that the written word doesn’t always convey tone, I am asking genuinely. Your tone however is obvious, doesn’t matter what anyone else says, you have no intention of either listening or answering.

As for you pale, who cares what you have to say, your only purpose here is to try and damage reputations of good people. You have no idea what your talking about and posts are just rubbish most of the time. You only do damage to your own cause, how pitiful.

Pigfarmer

That's a bit rich. Which question of yours did I fail to answer? I raised 8 questions in my last post and you failed to respond to any.

A debate generally has 2 sides. "For" and "Against." Which side are you on, PF? The "Prophets of Greed" or the "Moral Status of Animals?"

It is not possible to have a leg in both camps, PF. Only the corrupt would endeavour to vascillate.

Rojo, your comprehension of the written word is poor. Re-read my post. If you have only come here to pick a fight, I suggest you find a base in which to raise a valid argument.

"Dickie dear, this answers your question. Live exports from NZ are
a non issue, as they don't export live anyhow."

And how is that Pinocchio nose of yours, Yabby?

And you, the sage of all matters known to God, man and the billious trade in live exports.

Or do you simply enjoy your role as the resident ignoramus?

Live exports out of NZ have continued right up to the recent suspension.

New Zealand has now suspended exports of live animals for slaughter overseas, amid ETHICAL concerns. I recommend you seek help for your repugnant interpretation of the word, "ethical" Yabby.

An additional NZ company also recently applied to export live animals to the ME for the Hajj festivals.

There you go girlie. Why don't you join your partners-in-crime in the ME to participate in the celebrations? We all know you enjoy a bit of S&M and when you get a lather up, you'll be able to assist in the Rene Descarte's system of wholesale animal slaughter.

And besides, I'm certain your absence will enable your poor little Baa Baas to rest up a little!

http://sweetness-light.com/archive/the-beautifl-festival-of-ashura-warning-graphic-photos

“I’ve suggested slaughtering
animals humanely in Malaysia, you will not even consider it.”

Pale, above is what I wrote. Now you accuse me of dishonesty.

Are you having yet another scatterbrain moment perhaps?

Now read what I wrote really slowly, so that it sinks in.

Then note the word * SLAUGHTERING*

Does it sink in now? Just a little bit? When did you suggest
SLAUGHTERING animals humanely in Malaysia?

Unlike you or Dickie, I am not driven by blind ideology, without
flexibility.

Rational, pragmatic people like myself, examine all possible
options and all the facts involved.

Fact is, modern boat transport is far kinder to livestock then
crammed on trucks to the Eastern States.

Fact is, if its done properly, they gain weight and its no more
then a floating feedlot.

Fact is, we have neither slaughter capacity, nor labour in WA,
to slaughter sheep here, so SLAUGHTER in Malaysia could be
a perfectly viable option.

Pale, I give you credit that you at least accept that we humans will
continue to eat meat.

Organisations such as AA AL etc, clearly have their heads in the sand
over this one.

They will not even accept that free range farming in general, including
meat production, is a far kinder option then what nature dishes out,
when overcrowded herbivores starve to death.

Yet the evidence is clear:

http://dieoff.org/page80.htm