Ah, as I thought.... You cannot answer my points of reason,
but then you never could. Best that you have that afternoon
nap and calm down :)

Pigfarmer and Sheep Hater

"Condemn more animals overseas to a life in hell, it doesnt matter, only australian animals count, is that right?"

Whilst I do not expect you to address my issues, as is typical, I shall pose a few questions.

Why did Australia appeal for clemency only for Australian citizen Van Tuong Nguyen and not the others who went to the firing squads or the gallows in Singapore in 2006?

Why did Australia not appeal for clemency for the 53 Americans executed in 2006?

Why hasn't Australia appealed for clemency for the 3,800 persons of other nationalities, executed worldwide in 2004 and like Australia's animals, many were innocent.

Why does Australia object to executions in other countries on behalf of Australians only?

Why did Australians only appeal to the US for the release of Australian, Hicks and not the Danes, Swedes, Belgians, Canadians, Malaysians, Russians, Somalians etc who were incarcerated at Guantanamo Bay?

Why do you greedy lot defend Australia's abominable record on animal cruelty whilst acknowledging the heinous and barbaric treatment of all animals in the countries to which you send your defenceless livestock?

Why do you continue to advise of the abject cruelty perpetrated on animals in those countries.

Are you not hypocrites?

Actually, your obtuseness is curious. Many of us in Australia are in fact appealing directly to other nations to enforce legislation for the humane treatment of its animals.

This is a crusade you continue to deny in your lust for maximum profits. However, we do not invite you to participate.

Your curriculum vitaes would condemn you where they would fail the police test which weeds out those who gleefully torture their own animals in a supposedly civilised and humane society.


http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:T6Ptb9eVAIoJ:www.pacat.org/facts.htm+sheep+export+farms+how+many+numbers+australia&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=au&lr=lang_en

http://www.liveexport-indefensible.com/investigations/photos.php

. http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:sz0e41mclaMJ:sweetness-light.com/archive/the-eid-festival-around-the-world-graphic-photos+animal+torture+muslim+festivals&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=au&lr=lang_

Ah Dickie, so you reason that because Australia was only concerned with David
Hicks, that you need not be concerned with the welfare of non Australian
Animals. How sweet of you! How caring of you!

Whistling in the wind Dickie, is not going to change a dam thing. Dreaming about
the impossible, is not going to work either.

So lets see who is actually getting some real results.

If you’d read this year’s MLA annual report, you would know that a total of
6 million$ is budgeted for animal welfare. 2.2 million$ in Australia and
3.8million$ overseas.

Amongst other projects, the rolling out of more restraining boxes in
Indonesia is continuing, 40 last year, another 30 this year.

Once that project is complete, it would make perfect sense to roll out
a similar project in the Middle East for sheep. That would make
a difference to all animals slaughtered, not just Australian animals.
Just yet another example of what farmers are doing to bring about
change, real on the ground stuff!

You on the other hand, write emails. Big deal!

The world is not about to turn veggie tomorrow Dickie, no matter
how many emails you write. Best to focus on the things that
can be changed, as farmers are doing, then there is progress.

The pragmatic realists are getting the results, the dreamers dreaming
as usual. We want progress and results Dickie, impossible dreams
remain impossible, get used to it.

Yabby said-
Dickie dear, this answers your question. Live exports from NZ are
a non issue, as they don't export live anyhow.
NZ happens to have a 260 thousand tonne import quote into the EU, which Australia does not have. So they can sell their lamb/mutton at high prices there, which Australia cannot.
pale replies.
Ah, but thank you for pointing that out to us Yabbs. Yup Yabby NZ manage very well without inflicting unnessary cruelty on Animals and Australia can learn a lot.
You say Yabby NZ has an import deal. What are Aussies so stupid they cant organise their own deals?

Yes thats correct. Do you know why ? Because NZ made a promise to faze out the cruel live trade and actually worked towards it.

They also wanted to keep the jobs in NZ and its worked well for them.
So - Whats wrong with Australia doing likewise?

Perhaps NZ is not quite as corrupt as Australia Governments and Industry.
Perhaps they actually care about jobs for their own. Maybe they even care about humane treatment of farm animals to be slaughtered.

They have several abattoirs all competing to buy stock.
A win win for farmers
Healthy competition is good for any business.
Every feedlot that the Australian Government assists in setting up for the cruel live trade via the foreign aid program is a diverion of jobs and vaule adding from our own economy and communities.

Dickies links are facts - not fiction and anybody actually looking at this footage and ingoring the barbaric cruelty is not much of a bloke- Or women for that matter.

May It please be them one day at the end of such treatment.

Personally I would be happy to help sponcer a few people in the trade to face the same as these poor innocent animals.

PF Said

Dickie do you honestly believe the way they treat animals will stop simply if australia bans live exports?
pale replies.
Perhaps you ought to stick with free range farming of pigs.
Despite your insistance that we were crowing about nothing eighteen months ago - You still cant buy Free Range Pork for Christmass.!

We have some difficulty following your logic.

You claim you have compassion for animals as a farmer yet you openly support the most barbaric trade of all- Live Animal Exports.?

Australian Animals which is Australia`s responsibilty stuffed on ships in over 50% degee heat sometimes as long as tweleve weeks!

Tell me why we should believe you care about Animals as you claim when you can support that?

You dont seem to have any loyalty to either the animals or those whom have tried to support you in the past.

Your way off Q if you dont know Australia IS the largest live exporters of Alive! Animals in the world and of COURSE if we stop others will follow by example.


AA put you on their web site. Thats was a huge step foward and we were delighted to see it.
Now you have a web page on Free Range pig farming with Verna on your site.
So in short knowing that Animals Australia The Humane Society NSW run by Verna and pale all! oppose the cruel live export trade you support it.
How embarresing for them and yourself!

Now you have a go at Dickie who has worked just as tirelsely to disclose to the public to utter horror of this trade.

Why do you even bother talking with Animal Welfare groups only to shame them and more importantly yourself by going against their priciples?
I mean why should we believe you really care about Animals with such mixed messages.

Yes PF if Australia STOPS the cruel live trade the rest will follow by example.
Thats a fact!

Yabby
How dare you try to pretend! that MLA give a SH about Animal Welfare or animals suffering.

MLA DRIVE the cruel live trade.
Sending Animals to countries where there is no pre stunning is NOT caring.
They block! people trying to kick off in the red meat trade. Austrade do likewise.
Farmers are the largest grant subs and relief getters in this country.
Poor farmers get bugger all help and the intensive connected get heaps.
How fair is that!. Oh all while you claim overseas are doing well from OUR hard earned tax funds!
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Its 50 60 yabby. Oh sure they try to hide it by covering it up with another name but the results the same.

Where the funds comes from is US- The Australian hard working public who are lied to by the Government so they can do their duty trade deals.
Sending our raw materials off in its most valable form from any counrty is stupid.
However taking the hard earned Australians tax dollars to build OVERSEAS is criminal.
You seem to be proud of Landmark.
There names mud world wide.
Lets talk about their schools shall we?
David Jones of MLA told me he didnt know someone he was pictured standing next to at a meeting!
Anybody who is involved in cruelty to animals IS the scum of the earth.
May they be the first to have their throats cut when the enermy attacks Australia one day down the track.
Oh no pre stunning of course!