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Posted by Yuyutsu, Tuesday, 8 October 2024 11:07:26 PM
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You're creating people who will be filled with anger, hatred and revenge.
Armchair Critic, On the contrary as the reaction of those with a sense of reality clearly shows ! Posted by Indyvidual, Wednesday, 9 October 2024 7:24:07 AM
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Talking about antisemitism?
Criticizing Israel's policies and its decades of occupation, its draconian system of the control of the Palestinian people has been dubbed by some as being "antisemitic." Yet many Jewish people are criticizing Israel's policies. People like Louise Adler, Miriam Margolyes, Antony Loewenstein to name just a few. Jews are taking part in pro-Palestinian vigils and protests. Many Jews support peace in the region not because of their people's long history of oppression and discrimination and stand with the Palestinian people and support their right to self determination. They do it because they care as human beings and as Louise Adler tells us injustice and inequality demands that we all care. As Miriam Margoyles said - "It's the right thing to do." Louise Adler asks "The cure for antisemitism lies in the state of Israel?" She points out that 75 years later a succession of wars, countless deaths, displaced and dehumanized people, the every increasing plight of Palestinians and years of a reactionary government and the moral, civil, and political cost of denying the rights of another people have added to what precisely? The successive wars in the Middle East Adler tells us have only produced a terrible loss of innocent lives and to point this out and wish for an end to it is not antisemitic. You can't normalize excuse and live peacefully in a context of a profound ongoing injustice. Peace and justice will only come to the region when Palestinians are recognized as a people with the right to self determination and sovereignty and their own state. Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 9 October 2024 8:03:44 AM
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The arrival of the first Zionist settlers in Palestine towards the end of the 19th century is widely seen as the start of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict. The objective of Zionism, an ethnocultural nationalist movement, was to establish a Jewish state through the colonisation of land somewhere outside Europe. With the rejection of alternative proposals, it eventually focused on Palestine. Zionists wanted to create a state with as much land, as many Jews, and as few Palestinian Arabs as possible. Following the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948, Zionism became Israel's national, state ideology. The Palestinian Arabs had reacted with violence to the policies of the British government (that administered Palestine after the First World War) permitting large-scale immigration and land transfer in Palestine. Initially, the Jewish immigrants had reacted with self-restraint. But by 1947, Zionist para-military organizations such as the “Haganah”, the “Irgun” and, later, the “Stern gang” became active. These groups turned to terrorism and promoted large-scale colonisation of Palestinian territory – that has culminated in the current dramatic events under the leadership of Netanyahu and his far-right coalition government. But he did not start the war – or did he ? . Posted by Banjo Paterson, Wednesday, 9 October 2024 8:13:47 AM
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"The arrival of the first Zionist settlers in Palestine towards the end of the 19th century is widely seen as the start of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict."
Widely seen by who? Toward the end of the 19th century there was already a sizable Jewish presence in the the Ottoman province of Palestine. This had been growing since at least the 17th century, often encouraged by the Ottomans themselves. These new late 19th century/early 20th century arrivals were welcomed by the then Arab inhabitants primarily because they came with funds and a desire to purchase land that the Arabs thought to be worthless. Only after the new settlers turned in it into productive farmland did the Arabs get upset. Of course the great influx of Jews came following the pogroms following WW1, the rise of the Nazis and the massacres of Stalin. It was only after the numbers of Jews reached critical mass that they started to seriously dream of a Jewish state Posted by mhaze, Wednesday, 9 October 2024 11:50:36 AM
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John Louis Peeke, an American military expert writes
that Zionist terrorism was the core of the idea of Israel. He writes: "Jewish terrorism against the British, against Arabs, did contribute heavily to the removal of the British from Palestine. The abandonment of the League of Nations Mandate and the creation of the Jewish state of Israel," he wrote in his book - "Jewish Zionist terrorism and the establishment of Israel". He writes about terrorist groups like the Haganah, Irgun, and the Stern Gang. About how the Zionist terrorist groups attacked with impunity not just military targets but also civilians in the 1940s. How Jewish underground groups simultaneously targeted colonial railways, oil refineries, , and police boats in Palestine. That marked the beginning of a 2 year period of Jewish insurgency against both the British and Palestinians. There's more at: http://britannica.com/place/Deir-Yassin Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 9 October 2024 12:09:13 PM
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«You're creating people who will be filled with anger, hatred and revenge.»
By trying to save hostages?
If so, then so be it!
And anyway, what do you mean by "You're"?
I am in Australia and have no say in that war.
All I can do is to watch in dismay how the criminal Netanyahu and the Nazis he gathered around him are destroying Israel and doing everything possible to prevent the hostages' return to their families.
Any price is worth it for returning the hostages.
Remember, with a bit of bad luck it could have been you, or it could have been your children or grandchildren, it could have even been in Australia. Your cries of "but I support the Palestinian cause, but..., but..., but" are not going to save you from those animals (who BTW are the very cause of every misery for the "Palestinian" people whom they claim to support, who could otherwise been living in peace, prosperity and independence).
«I think my comment was still more 'in the ballpark' than it was 'out of the ballpark.'»
Which comment are you referring to?
«As for the innocent dead Yuyutsu, I don't take sides.
They're all innocent, but none should be dead.»
We are all going to be dead one day and since the innocent dead do not suffer, I am not concerned about them - I am only concerned about the living hostages being presently tortured in Gaza's dark tunnels.