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Posted by mhaze, Tuesday, 8 October 2024 4:34:59 PM
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Hi Yuyutsu,
"Your last post to me was based on something I never said: «You just finished telling me how Jews must act to defend other Jews.» That would be so uncharacteristic of my views - Care to show me where?" - You more or less did when I asked you if it was worth sending 1000 to die to save the 100, indeed it was certainly your opinion they were worth saving. Do you think the Muslims don't consider their fellow Muslims to be worth saving? Your original claim was that Hezbollah came in 'unprovoked'. I think the way Israel bombed Gaza after Oct 7 last year certainly was a provocation, I saw Israel drop no less that 12 x 14-story apartments full of people in the space of about 10 seconds. >>In my view, saving them from the torture they are under is, and there are plenty of Israelis who are happily willing to risk their lives for them, including many Israelis who otherwise oppose the occupation and the ill-treatment of "Palestinians". Yet Smotrich, according to a statement he made today, thinks otherwise, just like you, that it is not (well, I think he would think differently had the hostages instead been West-Bank Jewish settlers...). Are you friends by chance?<< Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 8 October 2024 4:47:12 PM
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Here's just two links that may clarify some things:
http://johnmenadue.com/these-are-the-things-ive-learnt-you-cant-ask-about-israel/ And - http://johnmenadue.com/israel-palestine-my-personal-experience-and-conversion/ Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 8 October 2024 5:07:14 PM
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Dear Critic,
«- You more or less did when I asked you if it was worth sending 1000 to die to save the 100, indeed it was certainly your opinion they were worth saving.» Certainly - it is worth for a 1000 to die (if necessary) for saving the 100 who find themselves in such a terrible predicament, but: 1) I wasn't saying anything about "sending". What I mentioned was that "there are plenty of Israelis who are happily willing to risk their lives for them" - voluntarily! 2) I wasn't saying anything about Jews. Blessed is anyone who is voluntarily willing to risk life and limb to save ANY innocent people who fall into such a terrible predicament. «Do you think the Muslims don't consider their fellow Muslims to be worth saving?» Again, that has nothing to do with being Muslim. Any INNOCENT person, including women and children, finding themselves imprisoned in such a terrible predicament is worth saving, by anyone with a great-enough soul to save them. «I saw Israel drop no less that 12 x 14-story apartments full of people in the space of about 10 seconds.» Hamas, Hezbollah, the Huthis and Iran are actively trying to do the same to Israel, aiming for no less and some of their rockets can indeed do no less if they manage to reach their target without being intercepted. Fortunately most do not. Posted by Yuyutsu, Tuesday, 8 October 2024 6:02:22 PM
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"Again, that has nothing to do with being Muslim. Any INNOCENT person, including women and children, finding themselves imprisoned in such a terrible predicament is worth saving, by anyone with a great-enough soul to save them."
I can live with that. I think my comment was still more 'in the ballpark' than it was 'out of the ballpark.' As for the innocent dead Yuyutsu, I don't take sides. They're all innocent, but none should be dead. I think if Israel willfully takes it out on the kids they're asking for a serious response. Some people just aren't going to let that lie you know. You're creating people who will be filled with anger, hatred and revenge. Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 8 October 2024 9:19:52 PM
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I just watched a clip of an "Australian" brought back from Lebanon at taxpayers' expense telling the camera in broken English that Hezbollah "has the right to protect 'our' country from the Israelis".
Albanese is bringing people in from Lebanon who are not Australian in any sense of the word, but who have become Australian citizens for convenience and gone back to live in Lebanon - knowing they can come here when the going gets tough - at our expense, and probably on our welfare payments. Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 8 October 2024 9:42:11 PM
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Its not a question of silencing critics.. its a just a question of exposing and revealing their motivations.
I accept that you can't see it in yourself, Foxy, or won't admit even to yourself, but your antisemitism is plain for all to see. Now it may not extend to a general bias against all Jews but it is most definitely obvious that there is an irrational bias against the Jewish state. Jews are OK so long as they stay in their place - which isn't the Middle East.
"People who can't see both sides of the conflict tend to ignore facts. "
You mean facts like Gaza was handed over to the Gazans by Israel only to be turned into an armed camp seeking to kill as many Jews as possible rather than improve the lives of the Gazans. I can't count how many times I've reminded you of that fact, only to see you turn tail and flee.
Or facts that the Palestinians are a pre-modern cult that practices, among other things sexual slavery. Again when told of this you put both hands over your eyes and refused to see it.
Or facts that the Al-Ahli hospital was bombed by an errant Hamas rocket.
Are those the type of facts that "People who can't see both sides of the conflict tend to ignore"?