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Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 8 October 2024 10:20:10 AM
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Jo Ann Mort, freelance journalist who writes features
and analysis from Israel, the Middle East and the Jewish World says that we must insist that out of the October 7th tragedy must come lasting peace. She tells us that she and her friends were hoping that out of all the vigils and peace protests could finally come a peaceful resolution. But she points out that" Just when you think it can't get any worse, it does". We're told that in Gaza the massive civilian deaths, homelessness and hunger resulting from the IDF invasion after October 7th, even as Hamas fights on the Netanyahu government refuses to articulate a viable exit strategy. We're told that the West Bank is inflamed as Jewish settlers supported by the most rightwing government in Israeli history freely and violently attacks Palestinian villages and fields. We're told that an extreme Israeli leadership seeking to expand into Palestinian areas means a complete eradication of a possible 2 state solution. We're told that it is urgent that we build alliances not rip each other apart. It's urgent that we march with love, not shout or blockade with hate. cont'd ... Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 8 October 2024 10:43:50 AM
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This past week on Rosh Hashanah at the Brooklyn synagogue Congregation Beth Elohim their senior Rabbi Rachel Timoner gave a sermon to several thousand congregants including at least one leading US political leader and received a standing ovation. She said: "We are Jews who stand with the Israelis in the streets, who stand with the hostages, who count ourselves with the brave-peace activists who do not give up. Who continue to fight for a future where all human beings count". "We are Jews who will find our way to these difficult conversations with our neighbours on antisemitism and will rebuild relationships and make new ones because we know we cannot go it alone". "Our synagogue was desecrated with red paint and slogans after October 7th and our neighbourhood is an epicenter of ongoing protests against Israel. None of us can go it alone. But there must be a coming to terms with our shared humanity. We need to seek practical ways to promote a constructive US policy moving forward that effectively spirals the region toward sustainable peace and human rights for all". "It means creating a movement of urgency, compassion, and practicality that would be an impactful way to commemorate October 7th". http://theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/oct/07/hamas-war-gaza-israel-october-7-peace-resolution Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 8 October 2024 11:01:56 AM
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Hamas fired a significant number of rockets at Israel yesterday to commemorate the orgy of rape and murder they perpetrated last year.
At the same time Hamas and UNWRA are telling us of the humanitarian crisis among all those poor Gazans. Not enough money to relieve the suffering. More than enough money to get more weapons. Quick.... the Hamas cheer-squad and antisemites (but I repeat myself) looks the other way. ______________________________________________________________________ Albo was jeered yesterday at the Jewish memorial. Dutton was cheered yesterday at the Jewish memorial. Who's on the right side of history? "when anti-Semitism rears its head, society is in deep trouble." I suspect the antisemites don't care. Posted by mhaze, Tuesday, 8 October 2024 11:30:57 AM
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Albanese jeered. Dutton cheered. Good to hear. I don't think that Australian Jews will ever believe that Albanese is sincere, after his total lack of interest in them up to now.
In the meantime, Foxy drags up another rabid Lefty for "facts". Foxy represents all the bad things about the first offspring born here of migrants who were probably decent people escaping from people like Foxy in their homeland. Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 8 October 2024 12:17:02 PM
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Some of Israel's most ardent supporters are
determined to try to silence all criticism of Israel with the accusation of antisemitism. Others resort to predictable personal attacks. People who can't see both sides of the conflict tend to ignore facts. They've allowed Israel's response to October 7th and its decades long occupation of the West Bank to cloud their judgement and they've crossed the line into antisemitism. Criticisms of Israel and the war against Hamas in Gaza is not antisemitism and as such harms the crucial fight against this growing threat by this ancient scourge. Israel's bombing campaign and the ethnic cleansing of Gaza could result in the death of all of Hamas's military leaders. Hamas may cease to exist as an organization. But none of this will solve the problem. Hamas was formed in 1980s and ruled Gaza only since 2007. Violence between Israelis and Palestinians long predates the group's formation. Violence begets violence. "Never again," has to mean never against anyone. If this call is not applied to Palestinians there will never realistically be any hope that others will apply it to Jews especially in our era in which so much antisemitism is ignored because it does not fit into the pro-Israel and pro Palestine stances. Hatred must be fought everywhere and in all guises, including among those whose fight against antisemitism is dependent on how it relates to this conflict. Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 8 October 2024 1:11:27 PM
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- I still have to wonder whether Netanyahu deliberately allowed the October 7 attack to happen. I remember interviews from several former IDF saying there's no way possible something like that could've ever happened, and it came out later that Palestinians had been training on paragliders inside Gaza prior to October 7.