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Quo Vadis Israel?

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"Thanks for all your links and information."

Try not to think about the worlds conflicts in isolation.
Instead try to think of the world; and the different regions of the world as one big chessboard.

Think about the Wolfowitz doctrine:
"Our first objective is to prevent the re-emergence of a new rival..."
Think of all the regions of the world as places where the U.S. has its enemies and proxies, and the U.S. in all these regions wishes to maintain and expand it's power and influence.

So in Europe, Russia is their adversary, they wish to overthrow Putin, balkanise the country and loot it by and for Western interests.
Ukraine is America's proxy, they also tried to make Georgia Ukraine's proxy.

In the M/E - Israel is Americas proxy.
Is the Asia region against China, Taiwan is the United States proxy.
South Korea and Japan and the United States proxy against North Korea, Philippines is a proxy for the United States in the South China Sea.

Then you have Myanmar. The U.S is sponsoring groups to attack the Junta, but they're actually attacking Chinese oil pipelines to attack Chinese efforts to diversify its oil trade routes away from the Malacca Strait. The U.S plan to defeat china involves blocking their sea trade routes.

http://www.irrawaddy.com/news/war-against-the-junta/pdf-groups-seize-guard-posts-for-chinese-pipeline-facilities-in-myanmars-mandalay-region.html

See here: The U.S. is using proxies to attack China's trade and their Belt and Road initiative.
http://edition.cnn.com/2024/03/27/asia/chinese-workers-killed-pakistan-attack-dasu-dam-intl-hnk/index.html

This is also why the U.S. tried to cause civil unrest using the Uyghurs in Xinjiang as it's being used as a U.S. proxy against China to hamper their expanded influence into Eurasia.

In Latin America, the U.S enemy is Venezuela.

Look at how they talk about Africa.
China is building ports and railways and hospials;
There are countries that are for the first time ever getting modern infrastructure, and the West doesn't like it and they are also losing influence. Colonialism simply moved military assets around while exploiting those countries natural resources.

In the Sahel France and the U.S have been kicked out.

China’s influence over Africa is starting to wear thin
http://youtu.be/hUA-PG3chNM
Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 8 October 2024 1:17:08 PM
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Sorry, this was a mistake:
'Ukraine is America's proxy, they also tried to make Georgia Ukraine's proxy.'
I meant to say they tried to make Georgia a proxy of the Unied States, not Ukraine.
They tried to overthrow Lukashenko in Belarus, (and are still trying)
They tried to overthrow Erdogan in 2016 and he's a NATO member.
They're trying to get rid of Orban.

Look at that earlier list of 7 M/E countries.
They were actually using ISIS to try and overthrow Assad.
Look at this for Hezbollah:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah
Look over in the right hand column, down the page a little at Hezbollah non-state opponents.
Al-Qaeda, Islamic State, Syrian opposition, Free Syrian Army, Al-Nusra Front

Lets go over to Bangladesh - from May
http://www.eurasiantimes.com/us-desperate-for-military-base-in-bangladesh/

>>Several Western nations, including the United States and Britain, are conspiring to create a Christian state, taking parts of Bangladesh, Myanmar, and even India.

With this notorious agenda, they have secretly joined hands with the Kuki-Chin National Front (KNF) and several regional insurgency groups, including Paresh Baruah, the kingpin of the United Liberation Front of Assam (ULFA).

Bangladesh Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina disclosed this when she told leaders of the 14-party alliance that a plot is on to carve out “a Christian state like East Timor,” taking parts from Bangladesh and Myanmar. She refrained from mentioning the name of India.<<

US Naval Institute
Defense Cooperation and Operational Flexibility: The Case for Bangladesh
http://www.usni.org/magazines/proceedings/2024/august/defense-cooperation-and-operational-flexibility-case-bangladesh

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/defence/why-us-needs-bangladesh-so-much-a-us-naval-institute-article-reveals/articleshow/112767120.cms?from=mdr

>>A few months before Bangladesh Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina resigned and fled the country after a coup which eventually replaced her government with an interim one, she claimed that she was offered a hassle-free re-election in the January 7 polls if she allowed a foreign country to build an air base inside the country.<<

Do you think the U.S. cares if the Venezeulans are starving and eating cats and dogs?
No, that is their purpose, to get the citizenry to rise up and remove the incumbent government Maduro.

They criticised El Salvadore for going after the gangs and reducing the out of control level of homicides that were occurring there.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 8 October 2024 1:43:00 PM
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Why do you think Israel is bombing Syrian consulates?
To force a reaction.
Why do you think they are deliberately causing these atrocities?
To force a reaction from Hezbollah.
Why do you think they are assasinating Haniyeh in Iran, on the Presidents inaugruation day?
To force Iran to react.

Look what Yuyutsu said

Unprovoked.

That's the western narrative, but the west is deliberately facilitating these atrocities, in order to enrage the people in these countries (Iran) in order that the citizenry and internal politics forces the government to react.

Iran’s president tells the UN that his country wants to play a ‘constructive role’ in world affairs
http://apnews.com/article/un-general-assembly-iran-president-pezeshkian-bca11f4148e60d84a39f85cde78fa2bf

The U.S. lead Iran to believe there a ceasefire had been agreed upun, then killed Nasrallah, and an Iranian general.

They are forcing Iran to react, and when they do they call it escalation and unprovoked, by the Islamic 'regime'.

It's a trap.

Then the West says to it's congress, 'We need to take out Iran'

Graham: Iranian missile attack on Israel deserves ‘overwhelming response’ from US
http://thehill.com/policy/international/4909716-graham-iranian-missile-attack-israel/

The way to beat the west is economically, and the Wests adversaries know they need to restrain themselves from being drawn into conflict with the West, but if they act too restrained the West calls them weak, or the response 'ineffectve' to tries to get them to escalate further.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 8 October 2024 2:04:01 PM
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What a massive contrast in the treatment of Israel between Bob Hawke's Labor government and Albanese's government. It can't really be called a Labor government; we have never seen anything as ghastly as the ‘thing’ that Albanese is mismanaging.

Albanese hasn't said anything or done anything useful about the anti-Semitism in his ‘thing’. But if he was half a man he would rid it of the appalling foreign minister, Wong.

Wong has done nothing but make unrealistic demands of Israel. Fortunately, Israel - if they even know she exists - are ignoring her and other outsiders making fools of themselves, and continuing to do what they need to.

Wong’s bad attitude has been consistent and too long to detail. But, right from the start, October 7, she started mewling for “restraint” by Israel when a terrorist organisation slaughtered its civilians.

More recently, when other terrorists, Hezbollah, fired 7,000 rockets into Israel, she stayed quiet until Israel retaliated, and then she started quacking for a “ceasefire” - by Israel, of course.

When Israel removed terrorists with phone pagers, causing little or no injury or loss of life to civilians, she objected to the “violence”.

Where once Labor supported Israel, the new ‘thing’ with Wong in it is acting like an enemy of Israel. Criticism and unrealistic ‘demands’ and advice from the safety of Canberra is what the ‘thing’ deals out.

One of Wong's most egregious calls is for Israel to “negotiate” with Hamas. Negotiate with terrorists! I believe that she is the only fool to ever have come up with that one.

Anyone, not just Wong, who has never experienced war, been invaded, murdered and raped, should shut their gobs, and help people who have the experience to get on with the job. If they want to try their arms at a bit of combat, get out on the streets of Sydney and Melbourne, and deal with the same sort of people attacking Israel - some of them fresh from Gaza. In Wong’s case, there are a couple of them with her in the Senate.
Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 8 October 2024 2:28:02 PM
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"Israel tried to send some F-35s into Iran a few days back but Russia saw them, told Iran and the attack was called off,"

Are they the same planes that were blown up last week in the Iranian missile attack? Seriously, is there nothing you won't fall for?

I wrote last week about how some Iranians think Israel is being helped by genies (Barbara Eden's a bit old - maybe her kids). I suspect there's a non-zero chance that you accept that as well.
Posted by mhaze, Tuesday, 8 October 2024 3:03:08 PM
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Dear Critic,

Your last post to me was based on something I never said:

«You just finished telling me how Jews must act to defend other Jews.»

That would be so uncharacteristic of my views - Care to show me where?

A year ago, the Hamas terrorists murdered, raped, wounded and kidnapped anyone who was in their path - not just Jews. That included devout Muslims as well as Buddhist and Christian labourers. Had you happened by sheer bad luck to be there, possibly to meet friends and family, or to do business or even to demonstrate there for the Palestinian cause - they would have done the same to you too. In fact, being high on amphetamines, had their own mother been there they would have raped her too!

In Lebanon, Hezbollah attacked Israel on October 8th, a year ago exactly, while Israel was still retrieving its bodies and calling up its reserves, way before it could retaliate. There was a UN-sanctioned cease-fire in place which held well for many years. That attack was therefore unprovoked.

Russia too attacked Ukraine unprovoked.
Russia may not have liked what Ukrainians were doing within their country,
just as Blefuscu did not like the way Lilliputians broke their eggs - but that is no justified reason for attacking, murdering and raping others.

«The only reason they and the Houthis are attacking Israel is because Israel is committing atrocities on the Palestinians, and it's completely disproportionate,...»

If you count the number of rockets launched against Israeli civilians by Hamas, including yesterday towards Tel Aviv, and the number of casualties they could cause, then you wouldn't consider it disproportionate but quite on a par.
The only difference being that Israel intercepts most while Hamas doesn't.

«The Wolfozitz doctrine announces the U.S.'s status...»

Why are you addressing me about it?
What have I to do with these stupid Americans?
If you change the topic, please address this to others who might be interested.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Tuesday, 8 October 2024 4:22:51 PM
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