Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu told the
UN General Assembly on Friday that Israel will
continue its attacks on Gaza and Lebanon. That the
IDF will continue to attack and eliminate the
commanders of the terrorist organization -
Hezbollah.

Several delegations walked out prior to Netanyahu's
speech as all hopes of a ceasefire faded.

The situation is grim. The reality is complex and needs
to be confronted if there is any chance to avoid
endless cycles of dehumanization, destruction, and
death.

The violence won't end until the conditions that
produced it end

I have no answer, Foxy,

Will the fish let go of the bait?

In 1967, Israel took that bait of the cursed territories it still occupies (with the exception of Sinai), a bait of arrogance and delusion, a seeming victory born in sin, and since then the bait sinks deeper in and Israel suffers.

I am in pain, I don't know how my family there will fare.

We need a miracle.
All we can do is pray.

Dear Yuyutsu,

Many innocents are suffering on both sides.
I feel for you and your family. My prayers
go out to you all.

There will be no peace and security for Israelis until
Palestinians enjoy freedom, justice, and equality.

Israel has been able to establish an apartheid regime
with the support of the West.

As stated earlier, the violence won't end until the
conditions that produced it end.

Up to one million people are displaced in Lebanon
as Israel continues air attacks on Hezbollah targets.
Up to a fifth of Lebanon's population has been forced
to flee their homes as a result of intense Israeli
air attacks.

The US has said war between Hezbollah and Israel is
"not the way" despite stressing its ironclad support for
the Israeli government.

In the meantime we see Hezbollah flags being carried by
a small minority in the pro-Palestinian protests in
Sydney and Melbourne. Police are investigating this
violation as Hezbollah is considered a terrorist organization
and Tony Burke has said that those carrying the flags will have
their visas looked into and he will not hesitate to take
action.

As Netanyahu promised last year, the Middle East is being remade.

Hamas is effectively finished and operations in Gaza are in the mop-up stage. The Philadelphia Corridor is in Israeli hand and will remain so.

Hezbollah is already significantly diminished in both actual fighting ability and reputation. By the time that IDF is finished with them they'll be a mere shadow of their former self. Celebrations are continuing in Syria over the demise of Hezbollah and their despicable leadership. It seems the Lebanese are also hopeful that Israel can help them reclaim their country. And Israel will finally implement resolution 1701 which the feckless UN refused to do.

As the IDF now moves in to southern Lebanon to continue to clean out the Hezbollah rats nests, the Lebanese army is pulling back to let Hezbollah face the music alone. A leaderless Hezbollah no less.

Meanwhile the Houthis have been given a mere taste of what awaits them if they continue to tweak the Israeli noses. Their ports city is currently ablaze with no prospect of controlling the fire.

And finally Iran is reeling in the knowledge that Israel has penetrated its intelligence services at the very top levels.

Peace will come to the Levant but it will look very different to what the antisemites hoped.

When decades of oppression by Israel on the Palestinians
are left out of the current conflict a narrative about
the innocent state of Israel's right to defend itself
against supposedly unprovoked aggression is legitimised.

The full story must be confronted if there is any chance
to avoid endless cycles of dehumanization, destruction,
and death.

Israel has waged war on Palestinians for decades. Their
task has been to rid the land of its Arab population.

Israel has been able to establish an apartheid
regime with the support of the West.

As I said..."Peace will come to the Levant but it will look very different to what the antisemites hoped."

And Foxy pops in to confirm it.

A group of academics at Harvard issued the following
statement on the 11th October last year:

"Start with the rockets fired into Israel by Hamas on
October 7th 2023 and not with the illegal occupation
of Palestinian land by Israel and the blockade of
Gaza since 2007 and you have an entirely different
story..."

Presenting the full story is not anti-Semitic

The Times of Israel reports that 57% of Israelis view
Netanyahu's performance since October 7th as "Poor,
very poor," sub-par as of July 2024.

We're told that "given these sentiments it's crucial
to enable the Israeli populance to elect new leadership
capable of addressing urgent issues and guiding the
nation towards a secure and unified future".

""This is not merely a condemnation - but a call for
introspection and reform and a renewed commitment to
democratic principles in Israeli governance."

"The nation needs to work towards a new government that
is not dictatorial, authoritarian, but accountable,
effective, and representative of diverse parties
committed to democratic rule, respect for the judiciary
and the Supreme Court, adherence to checks and balances,
equality and a genuine pursuit of peace".

Something that is very much lacking in the current Israeli
government under Netanyahu.

"As Netanyahu promised last year, the Middle East is being remade."
- A new 'western hegemony' they say - based on assassinations, cross border attacks, ethnic cleansing, genocide.

"Celebrations are continuing in Syria over the demise of Hezbollah and their despicable leadership."

- What the Jihadis, ISIS?

"As the IDF now moves in to southern Lebanon to continue to clean out the Hezbollah rats nests"

- Good luck with that

"Meanwhile the Houthis have been given a mere taste of what awaits them if they continue to tweak the Israeli noses. Their ports city is currently ablaze with no prospect of controlling the fire."

- Saudis gave them a taste for 8 years, didn't do much
- The US carrier group packed up and left after being attacked too many times
- they've lost at least 10 MQ Global Hawks
- keep dreaming

The Times of Israel reports that 57% of Israelis view
Netanyahu's performance since October 7th as "Poor,
very poor," sub-par as of July 2024.

- Well the baby-killing lunatic is on the up and up now, taking out Nasrallah.

"The Times of Israel reports...."

Oh really? Can you now tell me what Pravda thinks of Putin? Did that go over your head? Well let's just say Times of Israel isn't quite unbiased on issues related to Netanyahu.

Meanwhile, in the real world, "On Friday, August 9, for the first time since the start of the war, the weekly Maariv poll conducted by Dr. Menachem Lazar found Netanyahu's Likud would win in a party vote if elections were held that day. Netanyahu also hit another landmark, coming in first place with 42 percent in a head-to-head question about whether he or National Unity party leader Benny Gantz is best suited to be prime minister. Gantz, who left Netanyahu's war cabinet in June to return to the opposition, was chosen by 40 percent of respondents."

"These findings aren't an anomaly. In Maariv's survey a week later, on August 16, Netanyahu's Likud once again won the top spot, one seat ahead of National Unity. Netanyahu won again in a head-to-head question against Gantz, though this time by just one point.

But the real reason to pay attention is that Netanyahu's polling breakout is consistent with a longer, drawn-out recovery since April."

___________________________________________________________________-

AC,

"What the Jihadis, ISIS?"

No the people fighting Assad who Hezbollah supported with massive numbers of troops since Assad is part of the Iranian faux-empire.
http://tiny.cc/663ozz

Re the Saudis, US and Houthis. The US never took the fight to Yemen, just tried playing defence. And the Saudis aren't the IDF. In one sortie the IAF did more damage to the Houthi cause than years of Saudi pinpricks.

Much of Israel's politics depends on what happens next.

On the international stage Israel looks increasingly
isolated.

International courts are considering whether to put Israel
on trial for genocide and allegations of crimes against
humanity.

The ultimate test of Netanyahu's resilience could be yet
to come.

http://x.com/DrLoupis/status/1841179624207994997
BREAKING: More than 20 5th generation F-35 fighter jets were destroyed in Israel
Say goodbye to your American taxmoney!

http://en.topwar.ru/251180-jeskalacii-ne-budet-esli-izrail-ne-stanet-otvechat-iran-zajavljaet-ob-unichtozhenii-neskolkih-istrebitelej-f-35-na-bazah-v-izraile.html

>>Let us recall that Iran has just launched hundreds of missiles at Israel. The IRGC announced the destruction of at least 20 fifth-generation F-35 fighters of the Israeli Air Force at their airfields. It is also reported that a gas platform in the Mediterranean Sea near the shores of Israel was hit by a missile. Israel has not yet confirmed this information.<<

Israel's largest gas field, Leviathan, is on fire in the Mediterranean
http://en.topwar.ru/249133-v-sredizemnom-more-gorit-platforma-krupnejshego-gazovogo-mestorozhdenija-izrailja-leviafan.html

http://x.com/PressTV/status/1841208440460652891
http://x.com/PressTV/status/1841162562236285181

Isreal is doing what it has to do to survive. None of our business.

Our business is that our anti-Semitic, gutless government will not invoke the laws against promoting or supporting terrorist organisations like the thugs waving Hezbollah flags in Sydney and Melbourne.

"BREAKING: More than 20 5th generation F-35 fighter jets were destroyed in Israel
Say goodbye to your American taxmoney!"

So AC, is that one of those things you post because you think its true.
Or one of those things you post despite thinking its wrong.
Or one of those things you post hoping it true but which you'll claim to have never believed once its shown to be rubbish.

BTW Community note on X. This information is based on one report, completely unverified, from Iran.

You really do need to learn about the fog of war.

Might be true. Might be false. Might never know

It is our business if Netanyahu wishes to keep escalating and starts a regional war that shuts off oil from the M/E, destroys the worlds economies and escalates into WW3.

Can't blame the Lebanese for being outraged.
Israel dropped 6 residential apartments buildings in Beiruit full of innocent civilians with 83 2000lb bombs, and it's standard of political assassinations is getting out of hand. (helped by Trump against Soleimani)
Israel is a land thieving apartheid terrorist confirmed by the UN and ICJ and run by fanatics, and if / when they take the West Bank and Gaze they'll then have eyes on Lebanon and Jordan anyway.

I think Israel has made a huge mistake taking out Nasrallah.
That decision will come back to bite them.

Netanyahus been begging for a regional war maybe he'll get it.

There's plenty of reports of missiles hitting airfields, and it's clear from the footage that plenty got through.
If it was true, would Israel admit to it?

'Israel takes care not to kill civilians. We are the most careful nation when it comes to the lives of innocent people'

- Yeh right, of course they would, lol.
Israels statistics for killing innocents in the recent past probably surpasses every terrorist organisation on the planet combined.

Despite the Albanese government doing nothing about Australian law against terror supporters, the Lebanese Muslim Association accuses then of being more interested in Hezbollah flags being waved about than they are in getting “15,000 Australians out of Lebanon.

What sort of “Australians” would be silly enough to be in Lebanon! And how on earth did we get stupid enough to get such people into Australia!

While Israel is fighting against such creatures, Australia is encouraging them to come here and wave their filthy flags and terrorism around in our country.

The story goes that Albanese Labor is after the Muslim vote in secular Australia. That figures: only people as stupid as Albanese piss on the majority in favour of a minority.

This dipstick doesn't seem to mind that his idiot of a Foreign Minister is squealing that Israel should stop defending itself properly, and giving our money to UNRWA, one of whose senior officials supports Hamas, and who was thankfully taken out for good in Israeli attacks in Lebanon.

There are better organisations in the world to spend our foreign aid on than branches of terrorism.

In the meantime, belatedly, Peter Dutton is starting to speak up: putting down a stupid ABC reporter who asked him why he called Hezbollah a terrorist organisation, and yesterday calling on the gutless wonder Albanese to disallow a Palestinian demonstration celebrating October 7.

Dutton rightly describes such an event as “sickening”. But, he just seems to want the date of the disgusting hate-fest changed. That won't stop it from being sickening.

Police have actually (big shock from the Plastic Police) filed a court motion against it.

This is in Australia! And grubs want to talk about Israel, when our own government is allowing support for terrorism to be acted out on our streets.

Hezbollah's main ally Iran has decided to attack.
The consequences could be dire. This conflict
can broaden.

Iran has built a network of allied armed groups
across the Middle East which are all opposed to
the US and Israel.

Besides Hezbollah, they include Hamas in the
Palestinian territories, the Houthis in Yemen,
and a number of Shia militias in Iraq and Syria.

There's more at:

http://bbc.com/news/articles/c9dyxxgxv1jo

The UN says this "must stop. We need a ceasefire."

But who's listening.

"The story goes that Albanese Labor is after the Muslim vote in secular Australia. That figures: only people as stupid as Albanese piss on the majority in favour of a minority."

- A 5% margin can win or lose an election.
Albo would promise the world to every minority group in the country combined to get that 5%
Welcome to democracy, don't you just love it?

Israel can't keep doing what its doing and expect
different results. It needs to change the current
draconian system of control that it has in place
over the Palestinian occupied territories which
include a large network of military checkpoints,
fences, walls, military bases and patrols as well
as a string of repressive military orders.

Israel's control of the occupied Palestinian borders,
the population registry, the supply of water, electricity,
telecommunication services, humanitarian and development
assistance, and the imposition of its currency has had a
devastating effect on the economic and social development
of the Palestinian people in the occupied Palestinian
territories.

As long as this does not change - resistance will continue.
Downtrodden people will not give up their fight for
freedom and justice. And legitimising Israel's right to
defend itself does not help - when their decades of oppression
continues.

The violence won't end until the conditions that produced it
end.

This is not a call for condemnation - but a call for
introspection, for reform and for a renewed commitment to
democratic principles in Israeli governance. The nation needs
to work towards a new government that as stated earlier -
one that is not dictatorial but accountable, and committed
to a genuine pursuit of peace.

Taiwan next ? The "democratic" West's chickens are coming home to roost !

Indyvidual

It's hard to believe that Albanese would have the knackers to get involved in any aggression against Taiwan, which is the only country with values similar to our own, and in our own region - unlike the Middle East, Ukraine etc, who are nowhere near us, and of little interest to us in trade or anything else.

And, we are looking at Albanese's good mate, Xi Jinping. He has in common with that creep, the desire to censor Australians. It's probably where he got the idea in his "private talks" with Xi. There are not many politicians in the West these days who don't envy the ability to do as they please, just like they do in Communist China and other dictatorships; including our Opposition: there's not much hope coming from them.

Given his slack, cowardly attitude to the behaviour of the rubbish immigrants we have been getting since that other dipstick Malcolm Fraser brought in under the guise of "multiculturalism" in the seventies, we are reaching the 'end of times' period spoken of in the Bible. The writing has been on the wall since the appalling Prime Ministerships of Turnbull, Morrison, and now the worst ever PM, Albanese.

By the way, Australia should never again become involved in wars that if lost, like they all have been since Vietnam, if it means having to deal with refugees who are not Christians or, at least, do not adhere to Islam. The last mass influx of refugees from Vietnam - fleeing Communism - was the last of the decent, hard working and loyal to Australia group.

Funnily enough, the hard Left in the shape of Gough Whitlam, didn't want those "bloody Nazis" coming here, but couldn't stop them. Gough would probably love the situation Australia is now in.

As a hero-worshipper of Whitlam, Albanese doesn't have the erudition, appearance, beautiful speaking voice and humour of Whitlam. Surely, if Whitlam couldn't fool us, we are not going to be fooled by a jerk like Albanese and fail to kick him out.

Quo Vadis Israel?
- Israel's choice.

http://x.com/DeepBlueCrypto/status/1840772310057312571

"We're defined by the choices we make".

I've read this quote many times. Life is made up of an
infinite amount of choices. But, it's the big decisions
that can have the biggest impacts and are tough to make.

I believe we make good choices when we weigh up the
consequences and the possibilities and stay true to our
morals and values and try to insure that fear and
doubts don't impact on our decisions.

Fear of the foreigner and the person who is different is
as old as human history. It's a personal struggle of
each of us, the struggle between our generosity and
our fear.

If Ben Chifley and Malcolm Fraser had appealed only to our
darker angels, we would never have taken large numbers
of Jews and Indochinese refugees.

I recently read that "The Holy Family was certainly lucky
when it fled as refugees to Egypt that the Pharaoh did
not have a policy to "stop the donkeys!" .

Talking about choices?

Western countries not only support the Israeli
government economically and politically, but also militarily.

One of the most powerful armies in the region has been
supported by several of the strongest armies in the world.
Western governments provide weapons to Israel to continue
their attacks against the Palestinian people.

Israel's choices are clear. Not only their attacks need to
stop. But, so does their occupation.
And the West needs to stop its support and the excusing
and legitimisation of Israel's actions.

"So AC, is that one of those things you post because you think its true.
Or one of those things you post despite thinking its wrong.
Or one of those things you post hoping it true but which you'll claim to have never believed once its shown to be rubbish."

Well I was going to add a disclaimer that the reports are unconfirmed.
But I thought it might be more interesting to get your commentary.
Told you months back that Iran proved it can hit Israel anytime it wants.
The same can be said for Hezbollah and the Houthis.

I'm guessing Israels going to respond to the attack against them, in the hope they can get a bigger war going and then scream to America, 'We're being attacked by 3 enemies at once. Please come save us, you take care of Iran, we'll deal with Hamas and Hezbollah.'

Iran has been getting a lot of Russian missile defense in recent months.
Well see how that goes, Israel might try to hit Iranian nuclear sites.

Netanyahu will be trying to convince Putin to stay out of it and that the changes in the region he's raving about would be good for Russia, which is untrue.

Russia signals upcoming signing of strategic partnership accord with Iran
http://amwaj.media/media-monitor/russia-signals-upcoming-signing-of-strategic-partnership-accord-with-iran

A lot of missiles got through.
I thought the U.S and Israel had prepared for this.
http://x.com/jacksonhinklle/status/1841187326703386662

"Gough Whitlam, didn't want those "bloody Nazis" coming here, "

That's not quite true. He said he was "not having hundreds of f#cking Vietnamese Balts coming into this country."

By Balts he was referring to people who came here from the Baltic countries to escape the tender mercies of the Soviet Union. As a good comrade, Gough was always enamoured of Mother Russia and considered anyone who wanted out of the USSR to be beyond the pale.

I wonder how people descended from those 'balts' feel about that, eh Foxy?

_____________________________________________________________________

AC wrote: "Well I was going to add a disclaimer that the reports are unconfirmed. But I thought it might be more interesting to get your commentary."

Oh so one of those things you post hoping it true but which you'll claim to have never believed once its shown to be rubbish. okaaaay.

"A lot of missiles got through."

Well not according to initial reports which show no real damage to speak of - certain no destroyed F15s - and the only death being a Gazan, which is rather ironic when you think about it.

A lot of missiles got destroyed and the shrapnel got through but I'm not sure that counts.

Meanwhile Iran is now begging Israel to not retaliate while they quietly throw away their pagers.

"Told you months back that Iran proved it can hit Israel anytime it wants. The same can be said for Hezbollah and the Houthis."

Well you say a lot of things that turn out to be rubbish. But hitting Israel is one thing. Doing any real damage is another. And doing it without getting the snot kicked out of you by Israel is altogether another thing. Ask Nazrallah or Haniyeh. Oh wait, you can't

Dear Critic,

«A lot of missiles got through.»

There is no indication of "A lot", but around 100 residential houses were damaged by just one Iranian rocket in the town of Hod Hasharon in central Israel. Another rocket destroyed a school near where many of my family live. A few hours previously there were 400 children in that school. Fortunately all people were safe in their bomb-shelters when the rockets fell. One more rocket fell just besides a freeway and a car driving pretty close-by filmed the impact and was not hurt.

Only one "Palestinian" was killed by the rockets in Jericho of the West Bank.

Special thanks to Jordan, whose jets managed to hit some of the rockets on their way before reaching Israel.

'around 100 residential houses were damaged by just one Iranian rocket in the town of Hod Hasharon in central Israel'.
- I didn't hear that report, but I saw all the others.

I saw the school with the walls blown out and the small crater in the ground. The car that filmed that missile hit and explosion close, was a decent explosion.
I saw that Palestinian too, talk about unlucky.

You'd have to be seriously concerned for your familys safety in that situation, I really wish you had've told them to go for a holiday in Cyprus Yuyutsu.
I'm not sure where this mess ends.

"Special thanks to Jordan, whose jets managed to hit some of the rockets on their way before reaching Israel."
- Yes, you'd want to be greatful for that, he might end up dragged through the streets by his own people soon if he's not careful.

The Albanese government has turned its back on Israel , the US, the UK and Canada in not supporting the actions against Hezbollah in Lebanon and Iran. What a dreadful embarrassment for the Australian people!

Going against the US is the most egregious stupidity. It is sheer lunacy.

We live in an increasingly dangerous world, where the sole guarantor of our liberal democratic system and way of life is the United States of America.

Albanese is turning Australia into the ROGUE STATE of the Anglosphere.

Dear Critic,

My family was not planning on a holiday at this time, but I know others in Israel who did plan an overseas holiday and it was cancelled because most airlines stopped flying to Israel.

Jordan is Israel's ally and from personal experience Jordanians are very friendly people.

Anyway, Israel just announced that some Iranian rockets hit Israeli air-bases and caused damage to administrative buildings, but no planes were damaged nor were there any human injuries, nor any operational plans disrupted.

None of the missiles was hypersonic and Israel believes that Iran doesn't have any.

Talking about Gough Whitlam's foreign policy?

When Whitlam recognized the de jure incorporation of
the Baltic States into the Soviet Union I was living and
working overseas so I can't really comment much about
why he did that. However there's more at the following:

http://michaeleasson.com/foreign-policy/2023-an-evalution-for-whitlams-foreign-policy/

My apologies. Here's the link again:

http://michaeleasson.com/foreign-policy/2023-an-evaluation-of-whitlams-foreign-policy/

"Talking about Gough Whitlam's foreign policy?"

Well we were talking about Whitlam's disdain for Foxy's ascendants.... but OK.

The way Whitlam abandoned the Baltic states shows what a pompous swine he was. Basically he signed off on one of the more odious clauses of the 1939 Nazi-Soviet Pact and then laughed about it.

Even the article Foxy linked, which does its best to excuse Whitlam's various errors, can't find an excuse for that one.

Of course at times it is hard to understand some of the
actions of leaders and politicians and the choices they
make. As I stated earlier - I'm not that familiar with
Whitlam's behaviour being out of the country during
his time in office. His supporters will of course try
to justify his behaviour. Just as Trump's supporters
try to do. Just as Netanyahu's and Israel's supporters
try to do. Or the supporters of Palestine try to do.

However facts will always in all cases prove which
supporters have truth on their side.

We're told that during Question Time in October 1974
Whitlam explained his decision to recognize the
de jure incorporation of the Baltic States into the
Soviet Union was one which did not imply approval of
the way in which it was done but an acknowledgement
of the existing realities of the time.

The same can be said for the West's recognition of the
reality of the state of Israel and its treatment of the
Palestinian people. It's the existing reality.

However the time is well past due when an evaluation and
analysis of the West's continued support of Israel
needs to be done.

In today's world and reality things cannot continue as
they have in the past. The consequences could be even more
dire if things don't change.

And nothing will help if the "horror clown" Trump, is elected
US President.

The question no-one seems to ask is, can there ever be peace in the Middle East as long as there are two lots of people ?

Indyvidual,

Yes of course there can be peace in the Middle East.
Miracles have happened there in the past - right?

Israel has to get out of the occupied territories,
stop its draconian system of control of the Palestinian
people and negotiate a two state solution. The violence will
not end until the conditions that produced it end.

Quo Vadis Israel?

It's Israel's choice.

Hopefully it's not too late.

But under Netanyahu and his government - the chances are slim.
And the US and its ironclad support of Israel only makes things
worse.

But under Netanyahu and his government - the chances are slim.
Foxy,
Wrong ! With people such as yourself the chances are slimmer than slim !

Indyvidual,

We're all used to internet forums where rudeness and
incivility are the norm and where some people seem
to take pride in their insults.

However insults as we know are the last resort of
insecure and ignorant people with a crumbling
position.

Surely you're better than that.

Perhaps not.

Facts will always prove you wrong.

cont'd ...

Indyvidual,

Your views on the chances for peace in the Middle East
being slim, "slimmer than slim" because of "people Like
Me?" Are concerning.

"People like me" who want the conflict in the Middle East
to end. Who want to see the violence stop. Who want to
see peace, freedom, and justice for all in the Middle East,
not just for a "chosen few."

Who want to see Israel's occupation and their draconian
control of the Palestinian people come to an end. People
like me who see that the violence won't end until the
conditions that produced it and continue to produce it end.

The numbers of people like me are growing world-wide as
hopefully are the chances for peace in the Middle East.
But it is all up to Israel and its ironclad Western
supporters that are blocking and making the chances for
peace in the region slimmer than slim. It's people like
YOU that need to see the long-term bigger picture.

But having such a small lens makes it difficult for you.

Fortunately, Israel is running its own affairs as is proper, and a few people's ramblings on the internet mean absolutely nothing.

The Albanese government has let the side down; Wong has made a fool of herself in the UN again. And our relationship with Israel has been wrecked by an Australian government that is both anti-Semitic and hopeless with combating promotion of terrorism in Australia. The laws are there, but they won't use them because they are scared stiff of losing Muslim votes. Like all anti-democratic governments, the Albanese example has reversed the very idea of democracy - majority rule - by siding with a minority for a few miserable votes.

Let's hope that the majority treats this worst-ever Prime Minister in the way that they treated him on his racist Voice at the coming election.

Albanese, with the help of Wong and Marles have made Australia a laughing stock that the rest of the world doesn't listen to.

"can there ever be peace in the Middle East as long as there are two lots of people"

Peace will come to the region when the people who call themselves Palestinians come to realise that they can't win it all. That 'From the River to the Sea' is a fantasy that will never be achievable. When they finally decide that living a peaceful life pursuing economic gain is preferrable to a living a violent life pursuing the destruction of the Jewish state.

I suspect the people in Gaza and the West Bank are already there but the leadership, which personally benefits from ongoing warfare, are a long way from wanting peace or any sort of accommodation with the Jew. That leadership has to be replaced for peace to be achieved.

The leadership has to be replaced on both sides.
Absolutely.

New negotiators are needed.

The calls are very clear when you have the US, Australia, UK,
Canada, and other nations calling for a de-escalation
(and dialogue) of this conflict.

The international community including the UN Security Council
must work together to pave a path for lasting peace.
As both the PM and our Foreign Minister have made
clear - "we cannot wait for the parties to do this
themselves, we cannot allow any party to obstruct the
prospect of peace."

Simon Birmingham, the Opposition's Foreign Affairs
spokesperson urged Israel "to engage with their
closest partners, especially the US government to prevent
regional escalation."

He told Sky News -

"I heard the Israeli Ambassador to the UN this morning being
clear that they don't wish to see an all-out war or all-out
conflict. And if this desire is to avoid that, then that
requires engagement to try to find diplomatic solutions."

"War has rules" even when confronting terrorists. Penny Wong
told the UN Security Council.

"The world can't allow any party to obstruct peace in the
Middle East. We need to press for an immediate ceasefire
in Gaza and Lebanon".

The Australian government's position that a Palestinian state
along side the state of Israel was - "the only hope to finally
break the endless cycle of violence for a secure, prosperous,
future for Palestinians and Israelis."

A two state solution was tried. It was called Gaza. It failed. But western politicians the world over continue to push it because they haven't the balls to tell the so-called Palestinians that they can't have what they want and they, the politicians, can't think o anything else.

Once the Arabs show that they want a peaceful state that will co-exist with their neighbours, then a two state solution might be possible.

Don't hold your breath.

I don't expect anyone hear to actually watch this but I'm distributing as far and wide as possible.

Bari Weiss is THE hope of American journalism.
Douglas Murray is the greatest journalist of this generation. I saw him live in Sydney - he's unbelievably impressive.

http://youtu.be/kY3luFEvjIY

If you can't watch it all, watch the last ten minutes if you think all is gloom.

A two state solution has been rejected by Israel every
time it was offered. Each time the offers were made
Israel wanted to things only on their terms - and their
conditions. You can't negotiate anything with people
who only want things their way. Therefore a change of
government and new thinking is required here.

Its just lip service Foxy
Anytime it comes close to making a deal
Israel backs away and changes the terms
- Because it doesn't want any deal.

The world used to say a deal needs to be negotiated between parties
This is just a ploy to ensure Israel stay in control and doesn't have to make any deal.

And America, their words don't match their actions.
They've been facilitating this conflict since Day 1.
Israel and the US are probably playing good cop bad cop for all we know.

The reality facing the Middle East is the urgency
of finding a negotiated non-military solution ASAP.
What's needed is a return to negotiations.

Negotiations are more desirable than the alternative
of running the risk that Iran's nuclear capability
may be replaced by deployable nuclear weapons.

"In 2000, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak met at Camp David, with Palestinian Liberation Organization Chairman Nasser Arafat, to conclude a new two-state plan. Barak offered Arafat a Palestinian state in all of Gaza, and 94% of the West Bank, with East Jerusalem as its capital. But the Palestinian leader rejected the offer.
In the words of U.S. President Bill Clinton, “Arafat was here 14 days and said no to everything.”

A two state solution has been offered to the people who now call themselves Palestinian at least five times. Each time the offered settlement has been rejected by their leadership.

This is easily found in the historic records but this is a nice summary for those who abjure lengthy research....
http://lawandsocietymagazine.com/how-palestine-rejected-offer-to-have-its-own-state-5-times-in-the-past/

"A two state solution has been rejected by Israel every time it was offered."

You don't have to be completely historically illiterate to write such rubbish.... but it helps.

Foxy,
I've noticed Assange has stuck his head up.
I'm not sure it's in his interests to get back to wikileaks
I'm not sure the man is going to be able to help himself though.

http://x.com/afshinrattansi/status/1841846053051445478
Assange: ‘Artificial intelligence is being used for mass assassinations in Gaza’

Hi AC,

A two-state solution is the only answer. Everyone's
calling for a de-escalation (and dialogue) for this
conflict.

The international community including the UN
Security Council must work together to pave a path
for lasting peace. It cannot wait for the parties
to do this themselves. It cannot allow any party
to continue to obstruct the prospect of peace.

This requires engagement and trying to find
diplomatic solutions. Which is something that
to date - Israel has been unwilling to do except only
on its terms. This needs to change.

Hi AC,

Thanks for the Assange link.

I'm not surprised by what he's saying.

Just scared about what the outcomes will be
if this barrage does not stop.

Well Israel has stated that it will respond after Rosh Hashanah. (Jewish New Year)
Netanyahu can't go back on what he's said, he'll look weak.

And Iran have publicly stated that the 'Phase of unilateral restraint has ended, and that if Israel retaliates Irans response will be 100 times worse.

Hopefully cooler heads prevail, but I'm not hopeful.

This video is doing the rounds atm.
http://x.com/s_m_marandi/status/1841810284475715876

" Which is something that to date - Israel has been unwilling to do except only on its terms. "

Just repeating it over and over and over and over doesn't make it so or any less historically ignorant. But I guess if that's all you've got, then needs must.

This war will end when the Israelis have removed Hezbollah as a military force in the Middle East, when they have cowered the Houthis into silence and when Iran's leaders are put back in their box with their proxy empire in tatters.

Then and only then will peace return to the Levant at least for a decade or so.

Long-term peace will only come to the Levant when the people who call themselves Palestinians, or more exactly their leadership, finally realises that they cannot win it all From the River to The Sea and that what was previously offered and rejected was as good as they are ever going to get. That and when the people who call themselves Palestinians, or more exactly their leadership, finally decide that providing economic welfare and certainty for their families and community is more important than wiping out the hated Jew.

That is probably a long way off because the Palestinian leadership is doing very nicely thank you out of the current arrangements given that they are both powerful and fabulously wealthy thanks to stolen aid funds. Not to mention the odd sex slave... (http://tiny.cc/p4rozz).

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Just on Assange. I notice that the Queensland government has now made 'stealthing' a crime punishable by life imprisonment. Stealthing is when someone secretly removes a condom while having sex. This is the exact crime Assange was charged with in Sweden.

St Julian might have to rethink which Australian state he decides to live in least he spend even more time behind bars.

I read with great interest that "The Jewish Council of
Australia is made up of people with diverse histories,
traditions, and politics. "

"They're a coalition of Jewish academics, lawyers,
writers and experts on antisemitism and racism".

"They challenge assumptions and promote debate. They
reject the assumption that Jews and the State of Israel
are one and the same or that all Jewish people support
without criticism the actions of the Israeli government
and military".

They tell us that "pro-Israel Jewish organizations that
don't recognize the diversity of views among Australian
Jews don't speak for them."

"While they're united in their opposition to Israel's
continued policies aimed at the destruction of the
Palestinian people they are opposed to the Israeli
occupation and the prioritization of the rights of
Jewish people over the rights of Palestinians".

They stress that "Jewish safety is not at odds with
Palestinian freedom.. That we should all support calls
for freedom, equality and justice for all Palestinians
and Israelis". The claim that these calls are racist
or antisemitic should be rejected.

We're told that "Racism and antisemitism is on the rise
in Australia and in Europe" and "the only way to
effectively fight it is by communities to work with other
groups facing bigotry and discrimination in order to
fight all forms of racism".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Council_of_Australia

Isreal has supported a two state arrangement several times since 1948; including an offer of 80% of the land involved. All offers have been refused by the Arabs.

There is now no two state solution on the agenda from either side. It's all in the minds of ignorant people like Penny Wong and the constantly ignorant.

Talking about consistent ignorance?

We've been told that:

"History lies at the core of every conflict."

And:

"A true and unbiased understanding of the past offers
the possibility of peace". That "the distortion or
manipulation of history, in contrast, will only sow
disorder".

"Disinformation, even of the most recent past, can do
tremenduous harm".

"This wilful misinformation of history can promote
oppression and protect a regime of colonization and
occupation".

"It is not surprising, therefore, that policies of
disinformation and distortion continue to the
present and play an important part in perpetuating the
conflict , leaving very little hope for the future".

To paraphrase former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert:

"When I argue with people I say - "What is the solution?"

"What do you think can be done?"

"Do you think that we can continue to control
4.5 million people without rights, with unlimited
occupation forever?"

"Do you think that can work?"

Usually he says they don't have an answer.

"Its usually futile to talk facts and analysis to people who are enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance." Thomas Sowell.

""Disinformation, even of the most recent past, can do
tremenduous harm".

And yet you said... "A two state solution has been rejected by Israel every time it was offered."

Not only that, but when shown that that is comprehensively moronic, just carried on as though the facts were immaterial.

There will be no peace and security for Israelis until
Palestinians enjoy freedom, justice, and equality.
Foxy,
Something tells me that you're wrong !

Hate to ruin your party mhaze
(actually I don't mind at all)

"In 2000, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak met at Camp David, with Palestinian Liberation Organization Chairman Nasser Arafat, to conclude a new two-state plan. Barak offered Arafat a Palestinian state in all of Gaza, and 94% of the West Bank, with East Jerusalem as its capital. But the Palestinian leader rejected the offer.
In the words of U.S. President Bill Clinton, “Arafat was here 14 days and said no to everything.”

Now my question to you is this
Why is it that I get a different story from some Jews themselves?
I'm sitting here reading your 'claims' but some other Jew is telling me a different story?

"that is one of the most egregious propaganda beliefs that has infiltrated our society and the collective mind of Jewish culture"

Former AIPAC member debunks Zionism: US, Israel, Palestine, Norman Finkelstein, Alan Dershowitz
http://youtu.be/nVxIYPQC2K8?si=9W5b2mIUzVN-uH_I&t=810

>>So you mentioned the Barak peace proposal.
Which which refers to the 2000 Camp David Summit at the end of Bill Clinton's presidency.
And yes, that is one of the most egregious propaganda beliefs that has been that has infiltrated our society and the collective mind of Jewish culture, because they believe that Ehud Barak made a generous offer to the Palestinians, and the Palestinians rejected it, and they rejected it 'cause they always reject peace, 'cause they've rejected every other peace proposal prior to the year 2000, the Camp David Summit.
Well, first of all, Israel has rejected or ignored every peace proposal since 1948, since its establishment, every single one. And the 2000 Camp David is an example. So the head of Ehud Barak's negotiating team was Shlomo Ben Ami. And Shlomo Ben Ami, at the end of the failed summit, said of the concessions offered by Israel fell far short of even modest Palestinian expectations.
A couple of years after that, he said, If I were a Palestinian, I would have rejected Camp David as well.<<

" I would have rejected Camp David as well"

Oh good, so you agree that the Palestinians rejected the pro-offered two state solution, which of course was my point.

We all know why they rejected it. As far as Arafat was concerned unless he got 100% of everything he wanted, he would prefer to fight. That remains the case today.

Exploding Myths of Middle East Terrorism
http://sonar21.com/exploding-myths-of-middle-east-terrorism/

>>I have completed the initial cleanup of the data posted on the website of the Israeli Foreign Ministry, which lists all suspected Palestinian terrorist attacks during the 23-year, four-month period (i.e., 2000 to April 26, 2024). During this period, the Israeli Government identifies 672 terrorist attacks blamed on the Palestinians. Why do I phrase it like that? Because several of the incidents involve the discovery of dead Israelis with no identified attacker. . . .

Now here are the really interesting numbers. 105 of the attacks are attributed to Hamas. 58 to Islamic Jihad and 5 to Hezbollah. In other words, only 25% of the attacks are associated with a specific Palestinian group. The remaining 75% are blamed on nameless culprits. The total number killed by Palestinian violence during this 23-year-plus period is 1,455. That is the number of victims listed at the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs site. And, as I noted in my recent article (Hamas is a Third-Rate Terrorist Organization), the Israelis killed 7,065 Palestinians during the same period of time. In other words, the Israelis killed almost five times the number of Palestinians. This may explain why the Palestinians carried out “terrorist” attacks — they were seeking vengeance, retribution.<<

Armchair Critic,
And, when the Israelis seek vengeance & retribution it's called attacks ?

Iranian Missiles Overwhelmed Israeli Defenses at Some Sites, Analysts Say
http://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/iran-missiles-israel-overwhelm-defence-a7cbd9af
'While damage was limited, Tuesday’s strike suggests Iran could cause serious pain if it hits Israel’s civilian infrastructure'

"Satellite images of a target on Tuesday—the Nevatim air base in southern Israel, home to its F-35 jet fighters—show that as many as 32 Iranian missiles managed to land within the base's perimeter, according to analysis by professor Jeffrey Lewis, at the Middlebury Institute for International Studies in Monterey, Calif."

mhaze was correct for once, the houthis are definitely deterred now.
http://x.com/DrLoupis/status/1842505793674924059
http://x.com/ZAINABALI_72/status/1842044888294007163

Bill Burns and Richard Moore: Intelligence partnership helps the US and UK stay ahead in an uncertain world
http://www.ft.com/content/252d7cc6-27de-46c0-9697-f3eb04888e70

"In the Middle East, SIS and the CIA have exploited our intelligence channels to push hard for restraint and de-escalation. Our services are working ceaselessly to achieve a ceasefire and hostage deal in Gaza, which could end the suffering and appalling loss of life of Palestinian civilians and bring home the hostages after 11 months of hellish confinement by Hamas."

I'm sick of hearing this cracked record:
'We're trying to bring peace';
from the same people -'supplying the weapons'.

It's like...
Your 15 year old daughter is addicted to smoking crack
You confront the drug dealer, and they say:
"We're trying really really hard to work with your daughter to help her to try and limit her illicit drug use."
- Like seriously 'say what?', do you think we're stupid? Obviously.

"In other words, only 25% of the attacks are associated with a specific Palestinian group. The remaining 75% are blamed on nameless culprits."

I blame the Amish.

Albanese still refuses to expel the Iranian ambassador. The last time he was asked, he hadn't even dressed the thug down. He just squeaked something about what's ‘best for Australia’: meaning what's best for him. We “need” contact with terrorist-enabling Iran, he says. What! Albanese needs to hear their ambassador telling us how Israel needs to be wiped out!

Albanese is hopeless. He is dangerously incompetent. He doesn't believe in the rule of law. He has made Australia a much more dangerous place than it has ever been. He has diminished Australia's reputation throughout the world. He must go.

Instead of pushing ignorant, ideological twaddle about a country we have no influence over (Israel) we should be working out how to get rid of Albanese and his ultra-Left rabble and concentrating on our own problems: mass, inappropriate immigration of people who actually hate us; threats to our freedoms from our own politicians; lack of ability to defend ourselves, and a total lack of leadership.

As hostilities increase and Australia faces the possibility of being cut off from our suppliers of essential goods, Albanese is doing nothing about our lack of a local fuel supply, lack of pharmaceutical manufacturing, food we are importing instead of growing it.

We Australians have much more to contemplate about our own future, as the red mist of socialism becomes more suffocating here. Forget what you think Israel should or shouldn't do.

Watching the news this morning and hearing all the
announcements of the upcoming vigils and protests
marking the anniversary of October 7th made me
realize a few things and try to look at the conflict
from a different perspective.

One state or two - whatever the solution -
we need to recognize that the safety and security of both
Jews and Palestinians are inter-dependent.

Condemnation of only one side or the other? Will it
really achieve anything productive? It also does not
reflect a lack of concern for the welfare of innocent
people on both sides of the conflict.

The approaches taken so far have not worked.
Perhaps we need to make
an effort to take better positions that will lead
to greater safety for everyone.

If we continue with our "pro-Palestine" or "pro-Israel"
stances and their implicit exclusion - Doesn't this
merely reproduce and
perpetuate the nationalist antagonisms that has fuelled
and continues to fuel the
forever war between Jews and Palestinians.

Taking a different approach of course won't magically produce a
solution but it may help to create the atmosphere necessary
to imagine a peaceful future for both sides in the
Middle East and the diaspora.

Isn't it worth a try ?

Australian Jews should be of more concern to us than foreigners. Australian Jews are at risk, thanks to the Albanese Government’s refusal to enforce pro-terror laws against the mobs that the government has allowed into Australia.

While mosques and mobs in Australia are mourning the death of the horrible creature, Nasrallah - in Lebanon, Christians, Muslims, Druze, Bedouins and Kurds have joyously welcomed his death. Children are handing out sweets in Syria. ‘Syrian Rebellion’ wrote a placard in Hebrew, “With Killing Nasrallah You Have Illuminated The Road For Peace. A Blessed Start”.

Iranians waved flags and cheered outside the Israeli embassy in London.

These incidents all make so-called democratic Australia and its “progressive” windbags look like real screwballs.

Around 7,000 people attended the demonstrations in
Melbounre and there were no major issues of note.
Overall police were pleased with the behaviour of
attendees and there were no displays of any prohibited
symbols in today's protest.

With each demonstration the organizers worked and
co-operated closely with police. In NSW changes were made
in their plans to ensure that things went peacefully such
as shifting the route of the demonstration to inside
Hyde Park instead of the Town Hall and the vigil for
tomorrow being a "standing" or "static" vigil instead of a
moving protest.

The co-operation between the organizers and the police
sets a good example and re-assures people that good planning
and co-operation is vital for peaceful outcomes.

Inciting hatred and fear - is something none of us need
during this difficult time for everyone.

October 7.

I'm not sure I can cop all the stories that will come out today claiming 'poor Israel',
- Not when Israel created a new October 7 every single day of the last 365.
I think after this day is over my patience for Israel will have completely run out.

What do we do with a nuclear armed state that is out of control?
Bombing them into submission isn't a workable option, they'd just fire nukes at everyone.
Though if Iran only fired missiles at essential infrastructure, like water, power stations - a limited attack could be somewhat effective.

France has now begun a 'Stop weapons shipments to Israel' campaign.
To me the only thing left is BDS?
Individuals are entitled to protest - and entitled to spend their money how they choose.
Let the protestors picket every business that does business with Israel.
Start having protesters shut down industrial estates.

If Israel can't be bombed into submission,
(and I personally can't support action that harms innocents)
- Then I say they probably need to be isolated from the rest of the world.

Cut them off from everything.
I've always stated that I'm opposed to using trade as a weapon.
But Israels continued contempt for the value of human life
- an entire year on non-stop killing of innocent women and kids -
Well, is the situation not worthy of taking such a position?

Israel don't care what the rest of the world thinks;
Then the rest of the world needs to think about how we deal with an out of control nuclear-armed state.

Instead of pointless protests, do we need ones that actual hurt Israel and those companies who support it?
The wold needs to say loud and clear ENOUGH and that this killing of innocents and contempt for human life MUST STOP NOW.

There are vigil services going on around the country
today to pray for the innocent victims of this
conflict.

Lets all say a few prayers, light a few candles, and
wish for peace.

Make our combined voices heard.

Shalom (Shalam) - (make it good).

And -

Salaam (Salam) - peace.

Both are part of each religion's teachings.

Dear Critic,

I can understand your envy of Israel having nukes.
If Australia had them, then it too would not care what the rest of the world thinks - not even your "beloved" Americans, then it too would be OUT OF CONTROL: Just imagine what Australia would then do if a militant Islamic group from Indonesia suddenly raided Broome, ransacked and burned the town, killed and raped everyone they could find there, wounded most others and took the rest hostage, including innocent women and children?

And had the hostages not been returned even after a year, would you expect Australia to just give up and stop fighting?

And had Malaysia started shooting missiles at Darwin and Perth in camaraderie with their Indonesian Islamic friends, setting fires all over and forcing the population there to flee to other parts of Australia, would you then complain about RAAF bombing Malaysia in return and killing its leaders, even nuking them?

Apart from nuclear weapons, Israel is also a medical super-power.
Even Arab leaders, Israel's sworn enemies, when seriously ill, made clandestine visits to Hadassah hospital in Israel where the best doctors in the world are found; 100,000's of Australians are still alive and relieved of great pains by taking Israeli medications which are the best - would you like that to be stopped as well?

Had Albanese or Dutton (I don't care which, for me they are one and the same) gone mad and bombed women and children in Indonesia, would you then support an international boycott on Australia, including on the half or so that voted against him?

And had it been 10,000's of Israeli women and children thus killed, would you evenly support their cause in the same way?

I repeat: it's the Jewish Australians we should be concerned about. What the terrorists can't do to Israelis, they can, and will do, to Jews throughout the world.

The IRGC, the Iran Revolutionary Guard Corps, has been busy mapping Jews and Jewish organisations across Europe in preparation for retaliatory action that they cannot carry out against Israel. Several plots and terrorist acts have failed. But Jewish communities in countries outside Israel are vulnerable - e.g Australia, where our rotten governments have let in some very nasty people.

Of course, the Wimpy West won't declare the IRGC to be a terrorist organisation. In Australia, they won't even enforce the anti-terror laws, and do nothing to protect Australian Jews; just tell them to stay home.

Lets keep doing what we've been doing and lets expect
different results.

Right?

A few days back when I linked to the story about a Yazidi sex slave released from the clutches of her Gazan 'owner', the usual Islamic cheer-squad here, usually so anxious to loudly proclaim their superior virtue, couldn't run the other way quickly enough.

Now it seems another sex slave, this time Syrian, has been released courtesy of the Israelis taken out Nazrallah, her 'owner'.

We know that Hezbollah were heavily involved in assisting Assad supress his people which is why Syrians were celebrating the death of the terrorist and many of his subordinates.... http://tiny.cc/k02pzz

The war of oppression that raged in Syria led to the deaths of at least 500,000 (half million) people (mainly Arabs) and the displacement of probably triple that number. Yet not a word, not a nod, not a finger raised by the Islamic cheer-squad. Only Arabs killed by Jews, it seems, count. Massive death tolls perpetrated by Hezbollah, Houthis, Hamas and Iran against other Arabs belonging to a different sect are all OK because.. kill all Jews.

But they'll preen themselves as to their virtue and continue to demand the surrender of Israel.

The world is a better place due to the removal of Hamas. The world (particularly Lebanon and Syria) will be a better place with the removal of Hezbollah. And better yet when the mad mullahs in Tehran are put in their box.

But the Islamic cheer-squad won't see that.

Having one-eyed "cheer-squads" doesn't help.

The violence won't end until the conditions that produced
it end.

"Dictator and Ayatollah Ali Khamenei gave his first sermon yesterday in nearly 5 years.

He stated:

“God willing, we will destroy Israel.”

Western policy makers should note that he didn’t say “God willing, we will have a two-state solution”.

Only fools in the western antisemitic community talk of a two state solution. Iran and their lackeys in Lebanon and Gaza don't want it. They want total victory and the death of every Jew in the Levant. They will of course accept a new state carved out of Palestine as a prelude to the destruction of Israel. But it won't stop them working toward that destruction.

Israel already tried a two state solution. It was called Gaza. They handed over an economically viable, free Gaza to the so-called Palestinians, having forcefully removed all Jews from the region. Within two years Hamas instituted a totalitarian regime there. Within three years rockets were being fired into Israel. and they never stopped, culminating the last year's orgy of rape and murder. Israel won't repeat the Gaza mistake again.

So neither side wants a two state solution. Only the fools in the west advocate it because they have no understanding of the facts.

This isn't difficult....
“God willing, we will destroy Israel.”
That's all you need to remember

On this October 7th., Israel continues to take out selected buildings and personnel, and scare the bejesus out of Iran's and Lebanon's neighbours.

Israel is going in hard to finish business, and take justice for October 7th. last year.

Hi Yuyutsu,
To make your argument more realistic, I'd have to change things, and make Malaysia a colony of Australia under the control of Australians and I'd have to stipulate that Australia took over 5000 Malaysians and put them in it's own prisons, a large percentage held indefinitely without charge.

Only then can the hypothetical 'Broome' scenario more closely match the Israel / Palestine situation.

"And had the hostages not been returned even after a year, would you expect Australia to just give up and stop fighting?"

- A more relevant question is whether or not it's a good idea to begin fighting.
Should I be willing to send more good lives after bad, and if so how many more good lives should I be willing to sacrifice for those 100?

Tell me, are those 100 hostages worth getting another 1000 Israelis killed over?
And do you actually think you deserve to get them back after killing so many innocent people?

[Cont.]
"100,000's of Australians are still alive and relieved of great pains by taking Israeli medications which are the best - would you like that to be stopped as well?"
- Interesting scenario and question, as the issue now becomes 'do I let my own people suffer and die to protect the lives of foreigners'
Do I allow this out of control nation to act with free reign and conduct 'crimes against humanity' because my own people would suffer and die if I were to stand against them?
- I'll have to think about it more, it's a bit of a conundrum, but it does demonstrate that the right decision isn't so simple.

"Had Albanese or Dutton (I don't care which, for me they are one and the same) gone mad and bombed women and children in Indonesia, would you then support an international boycott on Australia, including on the half or so that voted against him?"
- If I think my government is doing the wrong thing, I would say so.
And yes I'd probably support it if I thought the only way to change the situation and stop my government doing the wrong thing, which would ultimately harm the entire country.

I support diplomacy and dialogue over conflict.

Finally though, I admit it's easy to sit here and make judgements when I have no skin in the game, but if the issue was 'my kids die or someone elses kids die' then it's obvious what I would choose regardless of the situation.

"And had it been 10,000's of Israeli women and children thus killed, would you evenly support their cause in the same way?"
- I'd like to think that I'd stand on the principles I do, against the harm of innocents regardless of which side was doing it.

Finally regarding nuclear weapons:
There's some speculation as to whether Iran tested a nuclear weapon several days back, but I can't say whether it's true or not.

Did Iran just conduct nuclear test in Semnan?
http://youtu.be/HzLnFgWBrZo

Escalation On 7th OCTOBER | Iranian NUCLEAR TEST?
http://youtu.be/HI3O002A-6Y

The violence won't end until the conditions that
produced it end.

Israel has waged war on Palestinians for decades.
Their task has been to rid the land of its Arab
population.

From Foxy...."If we continue with our "pro-Palestine" or "pro-Israel" stances and their implicit exclusion - Doesn't this
merely reproduce and perpetuate the nationalist antagonisms that has fuelled and continues to fuel the forever war between Jews and Palestinians."

Also from Foxy:...."Israel has waged war on Palestinians for decades. Their task has been to rid the land of its Arab population."

We've either got two Foxys on this site or one extremely hypocritical one.

"The violence won't end until the conditions that produced it end."

Very true. Once Hamas and Hezbollah are removed and the ability of the mullahs in Tehran to fund their murderous proxies has been eliminated, then the violence will end.

Australia used to be remarkable for its lack of anti-Semitism. Now there is a surge of anti-Semitism, in social media, left wing politics, and in the public domain.

It is more than passing strange that the surge in anti-Semitism has occurred along with mass immigration and anti-Western values, and no values at all newcomers.

The nastiness and threat of danger to Jews does also seem to have increased with the infestation of the Albanese government, whereby we have seen public support for terrorism on the streets; blatant breaches of s.18c of the Racial Discrimination Act, without even a hint from the horrid Albanese of prosecutions under the established laws allowing prosecution.

Those of us who read history, and have lived through some of it, should be feeling very uneasy in Australia these days.

Said The late Lord Sacks, eminent philosopher and one of Britain’s leading theologians:

“Multiculturalism embarked on for the highest motives was a disastrous policy misconceived and profoundly damaging to the social fabric of every society into which it was introduced. Intending to promote the integration of minority ethnic and religious groups into the wider society, instead it led to segregation. Meant to promote tolerance, it has given form to new and dire forms of intolerance.”

In 2016, the Oxford Dictionary selected ‘post-truth’ as their word of the year. There are posters who have always been, and always will be, trapped in a post-truth world, or more like an atmosphere, that only they can exist in.

In their cosy little atmosphere (bubble is another good word) they care only about their feelings: never facts. It's only about their feelings. Some of them are aware of the truth, but they won't let it get in the way of their preferences. Others are willing to blatantly propagate lies that suit their politics and ideology.

Unfortunately, those described cannot recognise the phenomenon in themselves; and when alerted to it, immediately try to project it onto others. We might see them scuttling out from behind the skirting boards even here.

Removing Hamas and Hezbolah won't change anything.
As long as the conditions remain the same in
Israel's treatment of the Palestinians - other
organizations will arise. That's why the statement -
that violence won't end until the conditions
that produced it end. Removing one organizations -
won't help. It will merely be replaced by another.
Any one with any logic should be able to see that.

"Removing Hamas and Hezbolah won't change anything."

You keep saying you want to try something new. (BTW two states isn't something new....its already been tried.)

Removing Iran's proxies hasn't been tried. Its something new. But you don't want to try it.

We all know why even though you can't even admit it to yourself. `The only new thing you want is the removal of the hated Jews.

This isn't difficult....
“God willing, we will destroy Israel.”
That's all you need to remember

mhaze,

Try thinking instead.

I do feel sorry for the innocent Israelis who died on Oct 7.
The IDF, well they were legitimate targets, conscripts or not.
They certainly haven't been kind to the Palestinians in the past.

I spent the day thinking about the 175 journalists that Israel has assassinated in the last year, trying to cover up the Israeli governments atrocities.
- I figured that was good way to reflect on all I've seen in the last year.

Probably also shouldn't forget those Palestinian medical teams, doctors, nurses, paramedics who died trying to help their own people.
These people were targeted, as were tens of thousands of other innocent people.

This one year campaign of terror's a little unsettling.
I wouldn't support someone dropping a bomb on the RSPCA let alone this.

And I think that if you took all these people and deliberately just loaded them straight into a gas chamber, the outcome wouldn't be any different.
Some certainly would've suffered less if they'd have done so.

They complain about a rise in 'Anti-Semitism'.
- And at the same time, the internet gave us front row seats, in high-definition.
I'm not really sure what else I'm supposed to think about it.

Dear Critic,

Malaysia is not a colony of Australia, nor is Lebanon a colony of Israel. Israel holds no Lebanese prisoners.

Hezbollah started attacking Israel from Lebanon unprovoked.

«Should I be willing to send more good lives after bad, and if so how many more good lives should I be willing to sacrifice for those 100?»

And today the number of hostages indeed officially dropped from 101 to 100.
It was confirmed that Idan Shtivi who was believed to be a hostage, was instead killed exactly a year ago, on October 7th.

Well, the vast majority of Israelis say 'Yes' to your question - but more so even among those who want peace and a 2-state solution.

First, because the majority of the hostages are peace-loving Israelis and not in Netanyahu's camp.
Second, because the conditions in which the hostages are held as absolutely hellish: it is not a question of life-for-life, but getting them out of that terrible hell, alive or dead, is worth the sacrifice.
Third, because every Israeli knows, "It could have been me, I just happened to be lucky that it was not, and had it been me, I have no doubt that the others would never rest in their efforts to rescue me".

«Tell me, are those 100 hostages worth getting another 1000 Israelis killed over?»

In my view, saving them from the torture they are under is, and there are plenty of Israelis who are happily willing to risk their lives for them, including many Israelis who otherwise oppose the occupation and the ill-treatment of "Palestinians".

Yet Smotrich, according to a statement he made today, thinks otherwise, just like you, that it is not (well, I think he would think differently had the hostages instead been West-Bank Jewish settlers...). Are you friends by chance?

«And do you actually think you deserve to get them back after killing so many innocent people?»

Israel as a state may not deserve - but they and their families do!

.

Israel's parliament on Wednesday night, 17 July 2024, passed a resolution rejecting a two-state solution and declaring the establishment of a Palestinian state "an existential danger to the state of Israel".

The Knesset motion, which has no legal weight, was passed with 68 votes in favour and nine against.

The move rejected the establishment of an independent Palestinian state, even as part of a peace agreement.

That being the case, another alternative would be the creation of a single Israeli/Palestinian state with joint responsibility at all levels of government, including the presidency, and equal representation in parliament.

I would be very surprised if the Israelis would prefer that solution – but, you never know, maybe they would.

.

Dear Banjo Paterson,

«I would be very surprised if the Israelis would prefer that solution»

There is no such thing as "the Israelis" - the country is split beyond repair, between those who originally came there to live (and let live) and others who later came there to die (and kill).

The former prefer two separate states, so each can live their own lives, while the latter prefer one big state, where they be the masters and both the non-Jewish and less-Jewish be their servants.

Such a sad state of affairs.

There will be no peace and security for
Israelis until Palestinians enjoy freedom, justice
and equality. And the violence won't end until the
conditions that produced it end.

Under the UN Charter, colonized people have the
right to struggle for their liberation even with
armies. The successful
ending to such a struggle lies in the creation of a
democratic state that includes all of its inhabitants.

Sadly this does not appear to be going to happen any time
soon

Terrorists mock us in our own country. They think we are fools. The clowns in our apology for a government are certainly fools.

“From Australia to the world: Stop the Israeli aggression in Lebanon”. Hezbollah has adopted Australia as an ally.

So dopy are the police and governments in Australia, the terror supporters in Sydney were waving slightly altered versions of the Hezbollah flag to make them “legal” after the cops told them that the real thing was seen as ‘a little bit naughty’.

The clownish coppers are now saying that the flags are “nuanced”, pathetically wriggling off the hook again.

“Hasbulla” is also being used to fool the fools.

All they need now are copies of Foxy’s ‘poor bubba Palestine’ posts to hand around.

From a year ago... http://tiny.cc/9v8pzz

Gazans parading dead and dying victims through the streets, beating them with anything that comes to hand, shouting in manic joy.

These are the same people that the ABC and the rest of the left-leaning media (is there any other kind?) regularly interview to tell us how bad things are for them and how unfair it all is.

You reap what you sow.

From an article by the wonderful Brendan O’Neill..."when anti-Semitism rears its head, society is in deep trouble." From what I see in this group and elsewhere, the antisemites don't care, revelling in their claimed superior virtue.

This isn't difficult....
“God willing, we will destroy Israel.”
That's all you need to remember

Hezbollah’s news website Al-Ahed News posted pictures of the rallies in Australia to its account on the social media platform Telegram.

Hi Yuyutsu,
"Hezbollah started attacking Israel from Lebanon unprovoked."
- No, that's the one lie I'm not going to let you get away with.

You just finished telling me how Jews must act to defend other Jews.
But then out the other side of your mouth you're saying:
'It's completely unprovoked, and Muslims should have no reason whatsoever to want to defend other Muslims'.
- You can't have your cake and eat it too sorry.

Hezbollah were founded during an Israeli occupation of Lebanon which they defeated, that's their purpose for existing.
The only reason they and the Houthis are attacking Israel is because Israel is committing atrocities on the Palestinians, and it's completely disproportionate, specifically designed to get Hezbollah, Houthis and Iran to react and force further escalation, whilst hiding behind the 'unprovoked' lie.

"Hezbollah started attacking Israel from Lebanon unprovoked."
It's the same story as "Russia attacked Ukraine unprovoked"
The United States has proxies and enemies in all the regions of the world, it likes to make war on it's adversaries but likes to have others fight it's battles for it and stay one step removed.

General Wesley Clark - 7 country's in 5 years
http://youtu.be/uljzqT7hdMk

"We're going to take out seven countries in five years starting with Iraq and then Syria Lebanon Libya Somalia Sudan and finishing off Iran".

He also mentions Wolfowitz
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfowitz_Doctrine
The Wolfozitz doctrine announces the U.S.'s status as the world's only remaining superpower following the collapse of the Soviet Union at the end of the Cold War and proclaims its main objective to be retaining that status.
"Our first objective is to prevent the re-emergence of a new rival..."

Also of note is the Brookings Institutes policy paper on Iran
'Which Path to Persia? Options for a New American Strategy toward Iran'
http://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/06_iran_strategy.pdf

John Menadue Australian businessman, public commentator,
and former experienced diplomat who served as Secretary
to the Dept. of Prime Minister and Cabinet and in
other senior positions under both Whitlam and Fraser
governments writes that the reality is much more complex
and that it must be confronted if there is any chance to
avoid endless cycles of dehumanization, destruction and
death.

He writes that the present conflict commenced a hundred
years ago with the British decision to give another people's
(Palestinian) land to a third party, European Jews.
Over the last 100 years there has been a steady story of
ethnic cleansing.

Israel has waged war on Palestinians for decades. Their
task has been to rid the land of the Arab population.
Israel has been able to establish an apartheid regime with
the support of the West.

Menadue is one of many political commentators who
stresses that the violence won't end until the conditions
that produced it end.

That's all you have to remember.

Of course, most of us would prefer a change to happen
in the future for the betterment of all, instead of
having to continue to remember the past

[Cont.]
America is helping Israel facilitate this genocide, because it actually wants escalation, it wants to get it's adversaries to respond, or at least that was the old plan.
The fact Russia hasn't fallen and has chosen sides to defend Iran as well as China probably complicates things.
Israel tried to send some F-35s into Iran a few days back but Russia saw them, told Iran and the attack was called off, they may have been trying to take out Khamenei?
U.S is losing influence and it knows it.

Check that policy paper above:

'Chapter 5: Leave it to Bibi: allowing or encouraging an
Israeli Military strike'

Hi AC,

Thanks for all your links and information.

It is appreciated.

The more I think back to October 7 a year ago, the more I have to remind myself about how I felt that day, I was shocked and bothered by the dead Israeli women piled on top of each other at that Israeli bus-stop, and I was asking myself how on the 50th anniversary of the Yom Kippur war was the Israeli border security so relaxed, even those IDF girls that got slaughtered in their barracks had tried to blow the whistle on the increased Hamas activity, but were ignored. This issue was brought to commanders, postponed overnight during a diminished troop presence and that's when the attack took place.

- I still have to wonder whether Netanyahu deliberately allowed the October 7 attack to happen. I remember interviews from several former IDF saying there's no way possible something like that could've ever happened, and it came out later that Palestinians had been training on paragliders inside Gaza prior to October 7.

Jo Ann Mort, freelance journalist who writes features
and analysis from Israel, the Middle East and the
Jewish World says that we must insist that out of the
October 7th tragedy must come lasting peace.

She tells us that she and her friends were hoping that
out of all the vigils and peace protests could finally
come a peaceful resolution. But she points out that"
Just when you think it can't get any worse, it does".

We're told that in Gaza the massive civilian deaths,
homelessness and hunger resulting from the IDF
invasion after October 7th, even as Hamas fights on
the Netanyahu government refuses to articulate a
viable exit strategy.

We're told that the West Bank is inflamed as Jewish
settlers supported by the most rightwing government
in Israeli history freely and violently attacks
Palestinian villages and fields.

We're told that an extreme Israeli leadership seeking
to expand into Palestinian areas means a complete
eradication of a possible 2 state solution.

We're told that it is urgent that we build alliances
not rip each other apart. It's urgent that we march
with love, not shout or blockade with hate.

cont'd ...

cont'd ...

This past week on Rosh Hashanah at the Brooklyn synagogue
Congregation Beth Elohim their senior Rabbi Rachel Timoner
gave a sermon to several thousand congregants including
at least one leading US political leader and received a
standing ovation. She said:

"We are Jews who stand with the Israelis in the streets,
who stand with the hostages, who count ourselves with
the brave-peace activists who do not give up. Who
continue to fight for a future where all human beings
count".

"We are Jews who will find our way to these difficult
conversations with our neighbours on antisemitism and will
rebuild relationships and make new ones because we know
we cannot go it alone".

"Our synagogue was desecrated with red paint and slogans
after October 7th and our neighbourhood is an epicenter
of ongoing protests against Israel. None of us can go it
alone. But there must be a coming to terms with our
shared humanity. We need to seek practical ways to promote
a constructive US policy moving forward that effectively
spirals the region toward sustainable peace and human
rights for all".

"It means creating a movement of urgency, compassion,
and practicality that would be an impactful way to
commemorate October 7th".

http://theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/oct/07/hamas-war-gaza-israel-october-7-peace-resolution

Hamas fired a significant number of rockets at Israel yesterday to commemorate the orgy of rape and murder they perpetrated last year.

At the same time Hamas and UNWRA are telling us of the humanitarian crisis among all those poor Gazans.

Not enough money to relieve the suffering. More than enough money to get more weapons.

Quick.... the Hamas cheer-squad and antisemites (but I repeat myself) looks the other way.

______________________________________________________________________

Albo was jeered yesterday at the Jewish memorial.
Dutton was cheered yesterday at the Jewish memorial.

Who's on the right side of history?

"when anti-Semitism rears its head, society is in deep trouble." I suspect the antisemites don't care.

Albanese jeered. Dutton cheered. Good to hear. I don't think that Australian Jews will ever believe that Albanese is sincere, after his total lack of interest in them up to now.

In the meantime, Foxy drags up another rabid Lefty for "facts". Foxy represents all the bad things about the first offspring born here of migrants who were probably decent people escaping from people like Foxy in their homeland.

Some of Israel's most ardent supporters are
determined to try to silence all criticism of
Israel with the accusation of antisemitism.

Others resort to predictable personal attacks.

People who can't see both sides of the conflict
tend to ignore facts. They've allowed Israel's
response to October 7th and its decades long occupation
of the West Bank to cloud their judgement and they've
crossed the line into antisemitism.

Criticisms of Israel and the war against Hamas in Gaza
is not antisemitism and as such harms the crucial fight
against this growing threat by this ancient scourge.

Israel's bombing campaign and the ethnic cleansing of
Gaza could result in the death of all of Hamas's
military leaders. Hamas may cease to exist as an
organization. But none of this will solve the
problem.

Hamas was formed in 1980s and ruled Gaza only since
2007. Violence between Israelis and Palestinians long
predates the group's formation.

Violence begets violence.

"Never again," has to mean never against anyone. If this
call is not applied to Palestinians there will never
realistically be any hope that others will apply it to Jews
especially in our era in which so much antisemitism is ignored
because it does not fit into the pro-Israel and pro Palestine
stances.

Hatred must be fought everywhere and in all guises, including
among those whose fight against antisemitism is dependent on
how it relates to this conflict.

"Thanks for all your links and information."

Try not to think about the worlds conflicts in isolation.
Instead try to think of the world; and the different regions of the world as one big chessboard.

Think about the Wolfowitz doctrine:
"Our first objective is to prevent the re-emergence of a new rival..."
Think of all the regions of the world as places where the U.S. has its enemies and proxies, and the U.S. in all these regions wishes to maintain and expand it's power and influence.

So in Europe, Russia is their adversary, they wish to overthrow Putin, balkanise the country and loot it by and for Western interests.
Ukraine is America's proxy, they also tried to make Georgia Ukraine's proxy.

In the M/E - Israel is Americas proxy.
Is the Asia region against China, Taiwan is the United States proxy.
South Korea and Japan and the United States proxy against North Korea, Philippines is a proxy for the United States in the South China Sea.

Then you have Myanmar. The U.S is sponsoring groups to attack the Junta, but they're actually attacking Chinese oil pipelines to attack Chinese efforts to diversify its oil trade routes away from the Malacca Strait. The U.S plan to defeat china involves blocking their sea trade routes.

http://www.irrawaddy.com/news/war-against-the-junta/pdf-groups-seize-guard-posts-for-chinese-pipeline-facilities-in-myanmars-mandalay-region.html

See here: The U.S. is using proxies to attack China's trade and their Belt and Road initiative.
http://edition.cnn.com/2024/03/27/asia/chinese-workers-killed-pakistan-attack-dasu-dam-intl-hnk/index.html

This is also why the U.S. tried to cause civil unrest using the Uyghurs in Xinjiang as it's being used as a U.S. proxy against China to hamper their expanded influence into Eurasia.

In Latin America, the U.S enemy is Venezuela.

Look at how they talk about Africa.
China is building ports and railways and hospials;
There are countries that are for the first time ever getting modern infrastructure, and the West doesn't like it and they are also losing influence. Colonialism simply moved military assets around while exploiting those countries natural resources.

In the Sahel France and the U.S have been kicked out.

China’s influence over Africa is starting to wear thin
http://youtu.be/hUA-PG3chNM

Sorry, this was a mistake:
'Ukraine is America's proxy, they also tried to make Georgia Ukraine's proxy.'
I meant to say they tried to make Georgia a proxy of the Unied States, not Ukraine.
They tried to overthrow Lukashenko in Belarus, (and are still trying)
They tried to overthrow Erdogan in 2016 and he's a NATO member.
They're trying to get rid of Orban.

Look at that earlier list of 7 M/E countries.
They were actually using ISIS to try and overthrow Assad.
Look at this for Hezbollah:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah
Look over in the right hand column, down the page a little at Hezbollah non-state opponents.
Al-Qaeda, Islamic State, Syrian opposition, Free Syrian Army, Al-Nusra Front

Lets go over to Bangladesh - from May
http://www.eurasiantimes.com/us-desperate-for-military-base-in-bangladesh/

>>Several Western nations, including the United States and Britain, are conspiring to create a Christian state, taking parts of Bangladesh, Myanmar, and even India.

With this notorious agenda, they have secretly joined hands with the Kuki-Chin National Front (KNF) and several regional insurgency groups, including Paresh Baruah, the kingpin of the United Liberation Front of Assam (ULFA).

Bangladesh Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina disclosed this when she told leaders of the 14-party alliance that a plot is on to carve out “a Christian state like East Timor,” taking parts from Bangladesh and Myanmar. She refrained from mentioning the name of India.<<

US Naval Institute
Defense Cooperation and Operational Flexibility: The Case for Bangladesh
http://www.usni.org/magazines/proceedings/2024/august/defense-cooperation-and-operational-flexibility-case-bangladesh

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/defence/why-us-needs-bangladesh-so-much-a-us-naval-institute-article-reveals/articleshow/112767120.cms?from=mdr

>>A few months before Bangladesh Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina resigned and fled the country after a coup which eventually replaced her government with an interim one, she claimed that she was offered a hassle-free re-election in the January 7 polls if she allowed a foreign country to build an air base inside the country.<<

Do you think the U.S. cares if the Venezeulans are starving and eating cats and dogs?
No, that is their purpose, to get the citizenry to rise up and remove the incumbent government Maduro.

They criticised El Salvadore for going after the gangs and reducing the out of control level of homicides that were occurring there.

Why do you think Israel is bombing Syrian consulates?
To force a reaction.
Why do you think they are deliberately causing these atrocities?
To force a reaction from Hezbollah.
Why do you think they are assasinating Haniyeh in Iran, on the Presidents inaugruation day?
To force Iran to react.

Look what Yuyutsu said

Unprovoked.

That's the western narrative, but the west is deliberately facilitating these atrocities, in order to enrage the people in these countries (Iran) in order that the citizenry and internal politics forces the government to react.

Iran’s president tells the UN that his country wants to play a ‘constructive role’ in world affairs
http://apnews.com/article/un-general-assembly-iran-president-pezeshkian-bca11f4148e60d84a39f85cde78fa2bf

The U.S. lead Iran to believe there a ceasefire had been agreed upun, then killed Nasrallah, and an Iranian general.

They are forcing Iran to react, and when they do they call it escalation and unprovoked, by the Islamic 'regime'.

It's a trap.

Then the West says to it's congress, 'We need to take out Iran'

Graham: Iranian missile attack on Israel deserves ‘overwhelming response’ from US
http://thehill.com/policy/international/4909716-graham-iranian-missile-attack-israel/

The way to beat the west is economically, and the Wests adversaries know they need to restrain themselves from being drawn into conflict with the West, but if they act too restrained the West calls them weak, or the response 'ineffectve' to tries to get them to escalate further.

What a massive contrast in the treatment of Israel between Bob Hawke's Labor government and Albanese's government. It can't really be called a Labor government; we have never seen anything as ghastly as the ‘thing’ that Albanese is mismanaging.

Albanese hasn't said anything or done anything useful about the anti-Semitism in his ‘thing’. But if he was half a man he would rid it of the appalling foreign minister, Wong.

Wong has done nothing but make unrealistic demands of Israel. Fortunately, Israel - if they even know she exists - are ignoring her and other outsiders making fools of themselves, and continuing to do what they need to.

Wong’s bad attitude has been consistent and too long to detail. But, right from the start, October 7, she started mewling for “restraint” by Israel when a terrorist organisation slaughtered its civilians.

More recently, when other terrorists, Hezbollah, fired 7,000 rockets into Israel, she stayed quiet until Israel retaliated, and then she started quacking for a “ceasefire” - by Israel, of course.

When Israel removed terrorists with phone pagers, causing little or no injury or loss of life to civilians, she objected to the “violence”.

Where once Labor supported Israel, the new ‘thing’ with Wong in it is acting like an enemy of Israel. Criticism and unrealistic ‘demands’ and advice from the safety of Canberra is what the ‘thing’ deals out.

One of Wong's most egregious calls is for Israel to “negotiate” with Hamas. Negotiate with terrorists! I believe that she is the only fool to ever have come up with that one.

Anyone, not just Wong, who has never experienced war, been invaded, murdered and raped, should shut their gobs, and help people who have the experience to get on with the job. If they want to try their arms at a bit of combat, get out on the streets of Sydney and Melbourne, and deal with the same sort of people attacking Israel - some of them fresh from Gaza. In Wong’s case, there are a couple of them with her in the Senate.

"Israel tried to send some F-35s into Iran a few days back but Russia saw them, told Iran and the attack was called off,"

Are they the same planes that were blown up last week in the Iranian missile attack? Seriously, is there nothing you won't fall for?

I wrote last week about how some Iranians think Israel is being helped by genies (Barbara Eden's a bit old - maybe her kids). I suspect there's a non-zero chance that you accept that as well.

Dear Critic,

Your last post to me was based on something I never said:

«You just finished telling me how Jews must act to defend other Jews.»

That would be so uncharacteristic of my views - Care to show me where?

A year ago, the Hamas terrorists murdered, raped, wounded and kidnapped anyone who was in their path - not just Jews. That included devout Muslims as well as Buddhist and Christian labourers. Had you happened by sheer bad luck to be there, possibly to meet friends and family, or to do business or even to demonstrate there for the Palestinian cause - they would have done the same to you too. In fact, being high on amphetamines, had their own mother been there they would have raped her too!

In Lebanon, Hezbollah attacked Israel on October 8th, a year ago exactly, while Israel was still retrieving its bodies and calling up its reserves, way before it could retaliate. There was a UN-sanctioned cease-fire in place which held well for many years. That attack was therefore unprovoked.

Russia too attacked Ukraine unprovoked.
Russia may not have liked what Ukrainians were doing within their country,
just as Blefuscu did not like the way Lilliputians broke their eggs - but that is no justified reason for attacking, murdering and raping others.

«The only reason they and the Houthis are attacking Israel is because Israel is committing atrocities on the Palestinians, and it's completely disproportionate,...»

If you count the number of rockets launched against Israeli civilians by Hamas, including yesterday towards Tel Aviv, and the number of casualties they could cause, then you wouldn't consider it disproportionate but quite on a par.
The only difference being that Israel intercepts most while Hamas doesn't.

«The Wolfozitz doctrine announces the U.S.'s status...»

Why are you addressing me about it?
What have I to do with these stupid Americans?
If you change the topic, please address this to others who might be interested.

"try to silence all criticism of Israel with the accusation of antisemitism."

Its not a question of silencing critics.. its a just a question of exposing and revealing their motivations.

I accept that you can't see it in yourself, Foxy, or won't admit even to yourself, but your antisemitism is plain for all to see. Now it may not extend to a general bias against all Jews but it is most definitely obvious that there is an irrational bias against the Jewish state. Jews are OK so long as they stay in their place - which isn't the Middle East.

"People who can't see both sides of the conflict tend to ignore facts. "

You mean facts like Gaza was handed over to the Gazans by Israel only to be turned into an armed camp seeking to kill as many Jews as possible rather than improve the lives of the Gazans. I can't count how many times I've reminded you of that fact, only to see you turn tail and flee.

Or facts that the Palestinians are a pre-modern cult that practices, among other things sexual slavery. Again when told of this you put both hands over your eyes and refused to see it.

Or facts that the Al-Ahli hospital was bombed by an errant Hamas rocket.

Are those the type of facts that "People who can't see both sides of the conflict tend to ignore"?

Hi Yuyutsu,
"Your last post to me was based on something I never said:

«You just finished telling me how Jews must act to defend other Jews.»

That would be so uncharacteristic of my views - Care to show me where?"

- You more or less did when I asked you if it was worth sending 1000 to die to save the 100, indeed it was certainly your opinion they were worth saving. Do you think the Muslims don't consider their fellow Muslims to be worth saving?

Your original claim was that Hezbollah came in 'unprovoked'.
I think the way Israel bombed Gaza after Oct 7 last year certainly was a provocation, I saw Israel drop no less that 12 x 14-story apartments full of people in the space of about 10 seconds.

>>In my view, saving them from the torture they are under is, and there are plenty of Israelis who are happily willing to risk their lives for them, including many Israelis who otherwise oppose the occupation and the ill-treatment of "Palestinians".

Yet Smotrich, according to a statement he made today, thinks otherwise, just like you, that it is not (well, I think he would think differently had the hostages instead been West-Bank Jewish settlers...). Are you friends by chance?<<

Here's just two links that may clarify some things:

http://johnmenadue.com/these-are-the-things-ive-learnt-you-cant-ask-about-israel/

And -

http://johnmenadue.com/israel-palestine-my-personal-experience-and-conversion/

Dear Critic,

«- You more or less did when I asked you if it was worth sending 1000 to die to save the 100, indeed it was certainly your opinion they were worth saving.»

Certainly - it is worth for a 1000 to die (if necessary) for saving the 100 who find themselves in such a terrible predicament, but:

1) I wasn't saying anything about "sending". What I mentioned was that "there are plenty of Israelis who are happily willing to risk their lives for them" - voluntarily!

2) I wasn't saying anything about Jews. Blessed is anyone who is voluntarily willing to risk life and limb to save ANY innocent people who fall into such a terrible predicament.

«Do you think the Muslims don't consider their fellow Muslims to be worth saving?»

Again, that has nothing to do with being Muslim. Any INNOCENT person, including women and children, finding themselves imprisoned in such a terrible predicament is worth saving, by anyone with a great-enough soul to save them.

«I saw Israel drop no less that 12 x 14-story apartments full of people in the space of about 10 seconds.»

Hamas, Hezbollah, the Huthis and Iran are actively trying to do the same to Israel, aiming for no less and some of their rockets can indeed do no less if they manage to reach their target without being intercepted. Fortunately most do not.

"Again, that has nothing to do with being Muslim. Any INNOCENT person, including women and children, finding themselves imprisoned in such a terrible predicament is worth saving, by anyone with a great-enough soul to save them."

I can live with that.
I think my comment was still more 'in the ballpark' than it was 'out of the ballpark.'

As for the innocent dead Yuyutsu, I don't take sides.
They're all innocent, but none should be dead.

I think if Israel willfully takes it out on the kids they're asking for a serious response.
Some people just aren't going to let that lie you know.
You're creating people who will be filled with anger, hatred and revenge.

I just watched a clip of an "Australian" brought back from Lebanon at taxpayers' expense telling the camera in broken English that Hezbollah "has the right to protect 'our' country from the Israelis".

Albanese is bringing people in from Lebanon who are not Australian in any sense of the word, but who have become Australian citizens for convenience and gone back to live in Lebanon - knowing they can come here when the going gets tough - at our expense, and probably on our welfare payments.

Dear Critic,

«You're creating people who will be filled with anger, hatred and revenge.»

By trying to save hostages?
If so, then so be it!

And anyway, what do you mean by "You're"?
I am in Australia and have no say in that war.
All I can do is to watch in dismay how the criminal Netanyahu and the Nazis he gathered around him are destroying Israel and doing everything possible to prevent the hostages' return to their families.

Any price is worth it for returning the hostages.
Remember, with a bit of bad luck it could have been you, or it could have been your children or grandchildren, it could have even been in Australia. Your cries of "but I support the Palestinian cause, but..., but..., but" are not going to save you from those animals (who BTW are the very cause of every misery for the "Palestinian" people whom they claim to support, who could otherwise been living in peace, prosperity and independence).

«I think my comment was still more 'in the ballpark' than it was 'out of the ballpark.'»

Which comment are you referring to?

«As for the innocent dead Yuyutsu, I don't take sides.
They're all innocent, but none should be dead.»

We are all going to be dead one day and since the innocent dead do not suffer, I am not concerned about them - I am only concerned about the living hostages being presently tortured in Gaza's dark tunnels.

You're creating people who will be filled with anger, hatred and revenge.
Armchair Critic,
On the contrary as the reaction of those with a sense of reality clearly shows !

Talking about antisemitism?

Criticizing Israel's policies and its decades of
occupation, its draconian system of the control
of the Palestinian people has been dubbed by
some as being "antisemitic."

Yet many Jewish people are criticizing Israel's
policies. People like Louise Adler, Miriam Margolyes,
Antony Loewenstein to name just a few. Jews are taking
part in pro-Palestinian vigils and protests. Many Jews
support peace in the region not because of their people's
long history of oppression and discrimination and stand
with the Palestinian people and support their right to self
determination. They do it because they care as human
beings and as Louise Adler tells us injustice and
inequality demands that we all care.

As Miriam Margoyles said - "It's the right thing to do."

Louise Adler asks "The cure for antisemitism lies in the
state of Israel?"

She points out that 75 years later a succession of wars,
countless deaths, displaced and dehumanized people, the
every increasing plight of Palestinians and years of a
reactionary government and the moral, civil, and
political cost of denying the rights of another people
have added to what precisely?

The successive wars in the Middle East Adler tells us
have only produced a terrible loss of innocent lives
and to point this out and wish for an end to it is
not antisemitic. You can't normalize excuse and live
peacefully in a context of a profound ongoing injustice.

Peace and justice will only come to the region when
Palestinians are recognized as a people with the
right to self determination and sovereignty and their own
state.

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The arrival of the first Zionist settlers in Palestine towards the end of the 19th century is widely seen as the start of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict.

The objective of Zionism, an ethnocultural nationalist movement, was to establish a Jewish state through the colonisation of land somewhere outside Europe. With the rejection of alternative proposals, it eventually focused on Palestine.

Zionists wanted to create a state with as much land, as many Jews, and as few Palestinian Arabs as possible. Following the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948, Zionism became Israel's national, state ideology.

The Palestinian Arabs had reacted with violence to the policies of the British government (that administered Palestine after the First World War) permitting large-scale immigration and land transfer in Palestine.

Initially, the Jewish immigrants had reacted with self-restraint. But by 1947, Zionist para-military organizations such as the “Haganah”, the “Irgun” and, later, the “Stern gang” became active.

These groups turned to terrorism and promoted large-scale colonisation of Palestinian territory – that has culminated in the current dramatic events under the leadership of Netanyahu and his far-right coalition government.

But he did not start the war – or did he ?

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"The arrival of the first Zionist settlers in Palestine towards the end of the 19th century is widely seen as the start of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict."

Widely seen by who?

Toward the end of the 19th century there was already a sizable Jewish presence in the the Ottoman province of Palestine. This had been growing since at least the 17th century, often encouraged by the Ottomans themselves.

These new late 19th century/early 20th century arrivals were welcomed by the then Arab inhabitants primarily because they came with funds and a desire to purchase land that the Arabs thought to be worthless. Only after the new settlers turned in it into productive farmland did the Arabs get upset.

Of course the great influx of Jews came following the pogroms following WW1, the rise of the Nazis and the massacres of Stalin. It was only after the numbers of Jews reached critical mass that they started to seriously dream of a Jewish state

John Louis Peeke, an American military expert writes
that Zionist terrorism was the core of the idea of
Israel.

He writes: "Jewish terrorism against the British, against
Arabs, did contribute heavily to the removal of the
British from Palestine. The abandonment of the League of
Nations Mandate and the creation of the Jewish state of
Israel," he wrote in his book - "Jewish Zionist terrorism
and the establishment of Israel".

He writes about terrorist groups like the Haganah, Irgun,
and the Stern Gang. About how the Zionist terrorist
groups attacked with impunity not just military targets
but also civilians in the 1940s. How Jewish underground
groups simultaneously targeted colonial railways, oil
refineries, , and police boats in Palestine.

That marked the beginning of a 2 year period of Jewish
insurgency against both the British and Palestinians.

There's more at:

http://britannica.com/place/Deir-Yassin

Here's a link to the Jewish terrorist groups:

http://britannica.com/topic/Stern-Gang

Can someone please explain the difference between the " late 19th century/early 20th century" and the 1940s to Foxy, please.

Can mhaze read the links that were provided?

The pro-Palestinian/Hamas/Hezbollah have now practising cultural misappropriation, waving Ned Kelly. I suppose they are running out of their own criminals with Israel knocking them off.

And one activist has held up a sign with “Thanks to NSW Police for making us f-ing relevant” on it. He obviously has heard about the same police being Islamophobic because their colours are the same as the Israeli flag. He'll be miffed when he finds out.

All-mouth-and-trousers Premier Minns says this all “grossly offensive”, but he hasn't ordered police to do visa checks and make arrests. But, apparently the Victorian wallopers are looking carefully at 9 Hezbollah aficionados. A whole 9! Wow!

Because of the failure of our political leaders and our police forces, Hezbollah are now associating Australia with the ‘from the river to the sea’ chant. We are being incorporated into terrorist slogans and our nation is being used as fodder for propaganda. We are becoming untouchables.

The Jewish Council of Australia condemns the attempts to
silence Dr Randa Abdel-Fattah and have her removed as a judge of Multicultural NSW Awards.

Here are the many comments from members of the Jewish
Council of Australia for Dr Randa:

http://jewishcouncil.com.au/media/attempt-to-silence-dr-randa-abdel-fattah-as-judge-of-multicultural-nsw-award-condemned

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Dear mhaze,

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1. You ask :

"The arrival of the first Zionist settlers in Palestine towards the end of the 19th century is widely seen as the start of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict."

« Widely seen by who? »
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While an investigation into bias in scholarly opinion would do well to query the motivation to venture an opinion in the first place, I think you will find that there is, nevertheless, a quasi-consensus among historians, political scientists and other reputable academics and commentators, including the UNRWA, on the beginning of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict as indicated above.
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2. You indicate :

« Toward the end of the 19th century there was already a sizable Jewish presence in the Ottoman province of Palestine »
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In 1880 there were nearly 500,000 Arabs and only about 25,000 Jews in Palestine. The First Aliyah or wave of immigration recognized by modern Zionism took place at the turn of the century :

http://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/cjpme/pages/985/attachments/original/1424469763/181-En-Jewish_immigration-v5.pdf?1424469763
http://www.google.com/search?

http://www.google.com/search?q=The+political+demography+of+Palestine%2FIsrael&rlz=1C1GCEA_enFR1119FR1119&oq=The+political+demography+of+Palestine%2FIsrael&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOTIGCAEQRRg9MgYIAhBFGEAyBggDEEUYQDIGCAQQRRhAMgYIBRBFGD0yBggGEEUYPdIBCDIyMzdqMGo3qAIIsAIB&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

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The Jewish Council of Australia is a Left Wing organisation; naturally, or it wouldn't have referred to here by a left wing poster who thinks that he/she only has to bring up someone or something else who shares his/her extreme Left views to make them correct. The JCA would probably appeal to Yuyutsu, who often criticises Netanyahu, the man trying to protect his family in Israel - and doing a good job of it. David Adler of the AJA is the go-to man in Australia for all matters Israeli. Apart from being the leader of AJA, a member of his family was slaughtered on October 7 by Palestinian terrorists. You aresholes preaching against Isreal and Jews from the safety of Australia are truly ignorant, nasty people.

Talking about nasty people?

No rational, thinking person, of any religion, can ignore
the appalling acts of terrorism being done. And should
not defend such things. The cruelty, insanity and continual
murder are facts. But, ask yourselves - Why?

We need to know about the past - but it's the here and now
and the future that matters. One thing is obvious. The land
must be shared. People must be treated equally. Israel must
change or it will destroy itself.

And if pointing that out makes people "nasty" according to
some. Then what does that say about them when being rational
and caring is "nasty?"

As Louise Adler tells us - we should all care.
It is part of our shared humanity.

Dear Ttbn,

«The JCA would probably appeal to Yuyutsu, who often criticises Netanyahu, the man trying to protect his family in Israel - and doing a good job of it.»

My family is being protected by the IDF: whatever the IDF achieves, is DESPITE Netanyahu, the man who constantly undermines the IDF, not because of him.

Netanyahu had the duty of being watchful and guarding Israel's Gazan border against surprise-attacks like October 7th. In the days preceding that monstrous attack he instead was only watchful of his arch-enemy: Israel's supreme court.

Netanyahu keeps picking fights with his defence minister, Yoav Gallant, in order to weaken the IDF.

Netanyahu was the one who financed Hamas for years, sending them suitcases full of cash that were used to buy rockets and other lethal weapons and build their underground empire: $30M (USD) every month through Qatar alone.

Netanyahu needed a war to save his skin, and a long one at that.
In the early hours of October 7th, 2023, just about an hour after the Hamas attack, before the extent of the attack, casualties and hostages were even known, Netanyahu already declared that "this is not a military operation - this is a war" and that the war will last "just over a year". How did he know?

I have no incriminating proof, but I wouldn't at all be surprised if it is revealed that Netanyahu designed the 7th of October attack together with his friend Sinwar as subcontractor, while on his part actively diverting the IDF towards Israel's northern front in order to facilitate this attack: the biggest traitor in history, at least since Judas Iscariot.

I was just discussing this with my family in Israel, asking when the war will end and we seem to agree:
The war will end when, and only when, Israel's president uses his legal power to pardon Netanyahu of his bribe and corruption charges. Only by knowing that he will not go to prison, will Netanyahu allow the war to end and the land to start its long road to recovery.

I don't think Netanyahu is helping save Yuyutsus family from danger.
I think everything he's done since a year ago has made things worse.
Even now everything he does is making things worse.

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The number of Jews worldwide stands at approximately 15.7 million. The number of Jews in Israel is 7,200,000. About 8.5 million live outside Israel, with approximately 6.3 million of them living in the United States.

The next 10 countries are as follows :

France: 440,000
Canada: 398,000
United Kingdom: 312,000
Argentina: 171,000
Russia: 132,000
Germany: 125,000
Australia: 117,200
Brazil: 90,000
South Africa: 50,000
Hungary: 46,000

About 27,000 Jews live in Arab and Muslim countries, of which 14,200 live in Turkey, 9,100 in Iran, 2,100 in Morocco, 1,000 in Tunisia, and 500 in the Emirates.

According to the Israel Central Bureau of Statistics, as of December 2023, the population of Israel was 9,842,000 of whom :

• 73.2% (about 7,208,000 people) are Jews, including about 503,000 living outside the self-defined borders of the State of Israel in the West Bank

• 21.1% (around 2,080,000 people) are Israeli citizens classified as Arab, some identifying as Palestinian, and including Druze, Circassians, all other Muslims, Christian Arabs, Armenians (which Israel considers "Arab")

• An additional 5.7% (roughly 554,000 people) are classified as "others".

However, the CBS statistics exclude persons (Palestinian/Arab/other residents) who are not registered and/or entered illegally, and foreign workers.

The total effective population of Israel in December 2023 was probably closer to 10 million.

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Is criticism of Israel and Zionism antisemitism ?

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The Jerusalem Declaration on Antisemitism, though not beyond criticism – is anything ? – appears to offer the best response to that question to date.

The Jerusalem Declaration on Antisemitism (JDA) is a document meant to outline the bounds of antisemitic speech and conduct, particularly as regards Zionism, Israel and Palestine.

It was conceived and motivated by a desire to confront antisemitism and by objections to the IHRA (International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance) definition of antisemitism, which critics have said stifles legitimate criticism of the Israeli government and curbs free speech.

The drafting of the JDA declaration was initiated in June 2020 under the auspices of the Van Leer Institute in Jerusalem by eight coordinators, most of whom were university professors.

On completion, the declaration was signed by about 200 scholars in various fields and released in March 2021.

Here it is :

http://jerusalemdeclaration.org/

And this is what the Van Leer Institute specialises in :

http://www.vanleer.org.il/en/about-the-institution/

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Dear Banjo Paterson,

«The number of Jews worldwide stands at approximately 15.7 million.»

Well this is nonsensical unless one can first define a "Jew".

There is no such agreed definition.

To demonstrate, let me translate a Jewish-Israeli survey, asking whether the following are Jewish or not:

Ilya was born in Russia to a Jewish mother and a non-Jewish father.
He has no connection to any Jewish organisation or community,
does not consider himself a Jew, but rather a Russian atheist.

Jewish? 64%

Betty was born in Chicago to non-Jewish parents.
She migrated to Israel out of love, serves in the IDF,
did not formally convert - but feels Jewish.

Jewish? 79%

Geva-A was born in Jerusalem to Jewish parents,
migrated to Australia, considers himself a non-Jewish Australian

Jewish? 75%

Geva-B was born in Jerusalem to a Jewish father,
migrated to Australia, considers himself a non-Jewish Australian

Jewish? 69%

Dana was born in Berlin to Jewish parents,
married an Arab-Israeli and lives in Nazareth (an Arab-Israeli town).

Jewish? 87%

Helena was born in Amsterdam, married a Jew,
converted to Judaism through a Chabad Rabbi,
divorced her Jewish husband and no longer considers herself a Jew.

Jewish? 49%

Valdi was born in Lithuania, Jewish mother, father unknown,
considers himself Christian.

Jewish? 53%

Zamir was born in Netanya (Israel), non-Jewish mother,
converted to Judaism in Israel by a reform-Rabbi.

Jewish? 33%

Hami was born in Tel Aviv, Jewish parents, married a Jew,
they live in Israel, considers himself a non-Jewish Israeli.

Jewish? 86%

Tavi was born in Paris, non-Jewish parents,
converted to Judaism through a reform-Rabbi in Paris,
married a non-Jew.

Jewish? 45%

Yael was born in Los Angeles to non-Jewish parents
and decided to live according to Jewish morals.

Jewish? 65%

Daniel converted to Christianity in order to survive the holocaust,
remained Christian and came to live in Israel,
considers himself both Christian and Jewish.

Jewish? 82%

Miriam is a Bosnian born athlete, grew up in Israel,
won an olympic medal,
wants to be recognised as Jewish without a formal conversion.

Jewish? 65%

Foxy,

I resent the fact that people like yourself, migrants into Australia, bring their hatreds and misinformation with them.

5 times in the past Palestine rejected offer to have its own state africachinapresscentre.org

Israel agreed to accept 20% of the territory.

Palestinians are despised, alienated from the Arab world.

In Jordan nearly 25,000 died when the PLO tried to overthrow the government and tried to assassinate the King of Jordan.

Kuwait and Saudi Arabia expelled over 350,000 Palestinians after Arafat's support of Saddam's invasion.

Lebanon - due to the PLO's activities after arriving in the country, resulting in a war with Israel and a civil war that resulted in Syria's intervention.

Then there is the Palestinian support of Russia's invasion of Ukraine

Israel is a tiny, tiny country, less than a third the size of Tasmania.

North-south 290 miles long
Narrowest point 9 miles wide
Widest point 85 miles

A population of 9,842,000

Jews 7,208,000 73.6%
Arabs 2,080,000 21.1% Some identify as Palestinian, Druze, Circassians, Christian Arab, and Armenian.

Non-Jew/non Arab 554,000 5.7%

Israel is one of the most successful multicultural and multilingual societies in the world. The languages spoken are Hebrew, Arabic, English and Russian.

Foxy

When I see your posts, I immediately think of Dunning-Kruger.

You admit to being a cheer leader for the ICC. Whilst established for the most noble of reasons, this organization is now corrupt and racist.

You need to do your homework ... then perhaps you do.

Israel has every right to defend itself.

The IDF is considered the most noble fighting force in the world. The IDF always warns ahead when about to attack.

If Hamas released the hostages and laid down its arms .... Peace.

WhiteMouse,

I did not bring misinformation into this country.
I am professionally trained to look for and present
facts.
Also, I am an Aussie. Born here.
Where did your ancestors come from? Were you born here?

I, have done a great deal of research on Israel. I have
studied its history as well as the current events.
I also have many Israeli friends who keep me
informed.

If you resent the facts - that's not my fault. All I can
do is politely suggest you don't read them or what I post.
Read only what's acceptable to you and the myths that glorify
your values, morals, and ideologies.

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BTW:
"There is not one place build in this country
that did not have a former Arab population."

"There is no more Palestine. Finished."

( Moshe Dayan).

Ever heard of Ariel "the bulldozer" Sharon?

Why was a former Prime Minister of Israel assassinated?

BTW:

I support the compliance to international laws.
Even in wars there are rules. As for Israel having
the right to defend itself?

Colonized people even under the Un Charter have the
right to struggle for their liberation, even with an army.
And the successful ending to such a struggle lies in the
creation of a democratic state that includes all of its
inhabitants.

A discussion of the future , liberated from the myths and
misinformation about Israel will hopefully pave a path
towards peace for both Israel and Palestine.

Dear Foxy,

One doesn't need a "right" in order to defend themselves - that is just natural behaviour!

«Colonized people even under the Un Charter have the
right to struggle for their liberation»

For sure, and that applies to Ukraine, Hawaii and the West Bank, but why Gaza? Gaza was not colonised since 2005 - the only Israelis in Gaza during those years were Gilad Shalit and Avera Mengistu, one kidnapped the other mentally-challenged.

How do you call someone who struggles to open a door that is already open? "blind" is one possibility, what are the others?

«And the successful ending to such a struggle lies in the
creation of a democratic state that includes all of its
inhabitants.»

Rejoice, Rejoice all dogzand cats, mice too!

I wish to make it clear that:

I support the existence of the state of Israel.

I support Palestinian liberation.

I do not support Hamas.

I do not support Israeli government policies.

Condemnation of Israel does not reflect a lack of
concern for the welfare of Jews in Israel and around
the world. But we need to take efforts and positions
that will lead to greater safety for everyone. Instead
of just supporting one side or the other.

Whatever the solutions we need to recognize that the safety
and security of Jews and Palestinians are inter-dependent.

Being only pro-Palestinian or pro-Israel and their
implicit mutual exclusion reproduces and perpetuates the
nationalist antagonisms that fuel the forever war between
Jews and Palestinians.

In stopping to use those terms and trying not to take sides
won't magically produce a solution but it could help to
create the atmosphere necessary to imagine a peaceful
future for both the Middle East and the diaspora.

Thank you to everyone who contributed to this discussion.
However I feel that there is nothing to be gained by
further conversation.

Ani Oleh.
(I'm out).

* Warning:
This footage appears to 'allegedly' show some 'very angry people' waving around 'what appears to be' the shredded remains of a small child including severed body parts.

http://x.com/angeloinchina/status/1844353060371652903

>>While you were having a coffee and enjoying your day, more massacres were committed by Israel, probably in your name, for the "freedom of
the West", with YOUR tax money, with YOUR government supplied weapons, killing children that could be YOURS.
Humanity and our dignity is dying every day in GAZA.
The WEST is collectively accomplice to one of the worst crime against humanity, a genocide that is happening in front of our own eyes with a deafening silence.
Yes, YOU can vomit.
Silence is also guilt.
For the silent ones > "Can you still look at yourself in the mirror knowing that you might be part of the problem ?"

Karma is bxtch, it will haunt us for many generations<<

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Dear Yuyutsu,

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The Jewish Agency for Israel is the source of the country populations I indicated in my penultimate post.

If you wish to ask them their definition of a “Jew”, they have an office in Australia.

You may contact them here :

http://www.jewishagency.org/contact-us/

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Quo Vadis Israel?
- Failed state hopefully.
Same outcome as the Nazis, Imperial Japan, the USSR, Pol Pot etc.
Israel is no different to them, and deserves no less than the same outcome.

What should happen to racist genocidal apartheid states?
Don't they have a use-by date?

Israels like 'We are the rules based order, you do as we say!'
We are America, we are the 'exceptional nation', the 'indispensable nation'
Irans like 'No, screw you', and suddenly the bullys power is gone.
Now the bully has to back it up with a fist, and he might get shamefully beaten down.

Where's your U.S. rules based order Uncle Sam?
Its getting a good hiding in Ukraine.

Boycott. Divest. Sanction.
Israels genociding hundreds of thousands of people.
Why are there no sanctions, and no diplomatic ties severed?

If Iran had've attacked UN troops I can only imagine the hostile rhetoric and demands for action splashed all over the news.

We've become a nation of gutless, piss-weak hypocrites.
I don't want to hear about 'human rights' from anyone.
The bigger picture is too pathetic.

Go lay on the ground and pee yourselves, if you must.

"In 1880 there were nearly 500,000 Arabs and only about 25,000 Jews in Palestine."
- So prior to the idea of reconstituting the Jewish state in Palestine, Jews numbered 1 in 20.

http://x.com/GlobeEyeNews/status/1844325746665521548
>>Israeli Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich:
I want a Jewish state that includes Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Iraq, Syria and Lebanon.<<

- Look, it's Hitler re-incarnated, he wants a bit of Poland, a bit of France... would you like a bit of Australia too Mr. Smotrich?

Frank Sinatra - High Hopes
http://youtu.be/S94Bh3Qez9o

http://x.com/jakeshieldsajj/status/1842617758766530689
This man writes children’s books about Jews going and stealing land in Lebanon

http://x.com/HKX07/status/1844511112064020908
What on earth is wrong with these people?

The State of Judea needs to be bombed heavily.

Documentary:
'Atrocity Inc: How Israel Sells Its Destruction Of Gaza'
http://youtu.be/bFEurGy05ps

Dear Critic,

«>>Israeli Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich:
I want a Jewish state that includes Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Iraq, Syria and Lebanon.<<»

Well Smotrich is Smotrich, what else can you expect?

But do you know what else would happen if Smotrich could have it his way?

Jewish law will become Israeli state law, including (but far from exhausting the list):
Homosexuals will be killed.
Those who break the Sabbath will be burned.
Those who eat non-kosher and men who shave or miss a prayer will be flogged.
Those having an intimate connection with a non-Jew will be stoned to death.
Those presently married to non-Jewish partners will be forced to divorce and abandon their children.
In the days preceding Passover, police will search every nook and cranny in every home for forbidden remnants of bread or biscuits.
All children will receive strictly Jewish-religious education.
All men will be required to fill a synagogue-attendance-form 3 times a day.
All women will be required to cover up their legs and arms and everything in between at all times - married women will also be required to cover their hair.
No sex outside marriage or with a menstruating wife - punishment being life in solitary confinement.

All non-Jews will be expelled from Israel (including the divorced ex-partners of Jews)

But here comes the best part which could make you change your mind and start liking Smotrich:

All Jews around the world will be required to live in Israel (and thus obey its Jewish laws).
Foreign governments, including the Australian, will be pressured (using atomic threats if necessary?) to extradite their Jews to Israel.

But wait... could your grandmother on your mother's side unknowingly happen to be Jewish? Or maybe her mother, or her mother's mother, etc.?
Should that be the case, then you too are considered a Jew and you too will be picked up and put on a plane to Israel (handcuffed if necessary) to live there as "a real Jew without compromise".

Nothing to worry about - none of that will happen because Netanyahu will not give up his beloved seafood!

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Why some posters on OLO often resort to ad hominem attacks :

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1. Because they cannot muster an effective refutation of their opponent’s arguments based on logic and facts.

2. Character Assassination is a devious, cunning, and entirely underhand tactic employed by those who fail to provide facts and logic to support their argument.

3. When discussions become heated, individuals respond emotionally rather than rationally. Ad hominem attacks express frustration and anger.

4. If someone feels that their position is weak or indefensible, they divert attention from the argument by attacking the opponent personally, hoping to create the illusion of a stronger position.

5. Ad hominem attacks simplify complex arguments into personal conflicts, making it easier for some to engage in the discussion.

6. In group settings, individuals use ad hominem attacks to rally support from others, creating an "us vs. them" mentality that strengthens group cohesion.

7. Some posters have inherent biases that lead them to dismiss opposing viewpoints based on the character or identity of the person presenting them, rather than the content of the arguments.

8. Attacking a person's character is a tactic to undermine his or her authority or credibility, allowing the attacker to gain a sense of power in the conversation.

9. Because they feel so badly about themselves, they must denigrate others to bring themselves up.

10. When someone perceives another person as having something they lack, they try to diminish that person's reputation.

11. In competitive environments, some use slander to gain an advantage over rivals.

12. For some, it provides a temporary feeling of superiority or relief and satisfaction of their EGO
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Needless to say, ad hominem attacks are demeaning to those who resort to them.

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Dear Banjo,

Thank you once again for your rationality.

To me yo0u're like a warm cuddly blanket that we can all
hug and take comfort from.

Bless you for contributing sanity to this forum.

Who wants to see some kids getting burned alive in the hospital?
http://x.com/Partisangirl/status/1845607813726544001

I don't need to resort to ad hominem attacks when I have new material like this every few hours.
But I have this 'war on stupid' so I have this tendency to call it out wherever I see it.

Dear Critic,

«Who wants to see some kids getting burned alive in the hospital?»
«I don't need to resort to ad hominem attacks when I have new material like this every few hours.»

Why not open your own porn site?

Hi Yuyutsu,

"Why not open your own porn site?"
- What makes you suggest that?
Jewish people already seem to have a monopoly in this industry.

Who owns OnlyFans?
- Leonid Radvinsky, #Jewish
Who owns most porn sites incl PornHub?
- Rabbi Solomon Friedman, #Jewish
Who founded Tinder?
- Sean Rad , #Jewish
Who founded Grindr?
- Joel Simkhai, #Jewish
Who founded Bumble?
- Whitney Wolfe Herd, #Jewish

Apparently the people screaming whilst burning alive in the video above were patients in the hospital on life support.

I think about the 'Palestinian Holocaust Museum' in the years to come.
Not only do will there be all this video footage on display for the world to reflect on, there will also be the videos of the war crimes that the IDF committed and filmed themselves.

They're already saying this 'people burning alive' video is as similarly powerful an image as the little girl running down the road naked away from the napalm in Vietnam.

It's all quite horrible actually.

Dear Critic,

«I think about the 'Palestinian Holocaust Museum' in the years to come.
Not only do will there be all this video footage on display for the world to reflect on, there will also be the videos of the war crimes that the IDF committed and filmed themselves.»

And will they also show the vast stores of rockets, drones, explosives, arms and ammunition hidden under the patients' beds?

I wonder what would you personally do if you discovered that your neighbour was storing grenades under the mattress of his ailing wife with the intent to explode them in your children's bedroom at night (and police refused to believe you)?

But why would your neighbour want to do this?
- Oh well, an old grudge, long story, it started before you were born...

We all woke to some good news this morning...
http://pbs.twimg.com/media/GaGUx9QXAAADo39?format=jpg&name=small

Dear Mhaze,

«We all woke to some good news this morning...»

Yes, we all did, except one who was not happy at all to hear this news - Benjamin Netanyahu.

He did not plan this accident for his best friend, all he wanted was to SAY that he was going to kill Sinwar, never to actually do it. He trusted that his friend was well hidden deep underground and never expected the IDF to find him like that above ground.

"except one who was not happy at all to hear this news - Benjamin Netanyahu."

A claim for which you have impeccable sources, no doubt.

The identity papers of one of Sinwar's bodyguards shows his occupation as "UNRWA Teacher".

UNRWA is just a front organisation for Hamas.