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Quo Vadis Israel?

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I do feel sorry for the innocent Israelis who died on Oct 7.
The IDF, well they were legitimate targets, conscripts or not.
They certainly haven't been kind to the Palestinians in the past.

I spent the day thinking about the 175 journalists that Israel has assassinated in the last year, trying to cover up the Israeli governments atrocities.
- I figured that was good way to reflect on all I've seen in the last year.

Probably also shouldn't forget those Palestinian medical teams, doctors, nurses, paramedics who died trying to help their own people.
These people were targeted, as were tens of thousands of other innocent people.

This one year campaign of terror's a little unsettling.
I wouldn't support someone dropping a bomb on the RSPCA let alone this.

And I think that if you took all these people and deliberately just loaded them straight into a gas chamber, the outcome wouldn't be any different.
Some certainly would've suffered less if they'd have done so.

They complain about a rise in 'Anti-Semitism'.
- And at the same time, the internet gave us front row seats, in high-definition.
I'm not really sure what else I'm supposed to think about it.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Monday, 7 October 2024 5:02:54 PM
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Dear Critic,

Malaysia is not a colony of Australia, nor is Lebanon a colony of Israel. Israel holds no Lebanese prisoners.

Hezbollah started attacking Israel from Lebanon unprovoked.

«Should I be willing to send more good lives after bad, and if so how many more good lives should I be willing to sacrifice for those 100?»

And today the number of hostages indeed officially dropped from 101 to 100.
It was confirmed that Idan Shtivi who was believed to be a hostage, was instead killed exactly a year ago, on October 7th.

Well, the vast majority of Israelis say 'Yes' to your question - but more so even among those who want peace and a 2-state solution.

First, because the majority of the hostages are peace-loving Israelis and not in Netanyahu's camp.
Second, because the conditions in which the hostages are held as absolutely hellish: it is not a question of life-for-life, but getting them out of that terrible hell, alive or dead, is worth the sacrifice.
Third, because every Israeli knows, "It could have been me, I just happened to be lucky that it was not, and had it been me, I have no doubt that the others would never rest in their efforts to rescue me".

«Tell me, are those 100 hostages worth getting another 1000 Israelis killed over?»

In my view, saving them from the torture they are under is, and there are plenty of Israelis who are happily willing to risk their lives for them, including many Israelis who otherwise oppose the occupation and the ill-treatment of "Palestinians".

Yet Smotrich, according to a statement he made today, thinks otherwise, just like you, that it is not (well, I think he would think differently had the hostages instead been West-Bank Jewish settlers...). Are you friends by chance?

«And do you actually think you deserve to get them back after killing so many innocent people?»

Israel as a state may not deserve - but they and their families do!
Posted by Yuyutsu, Monday, 7 October 2024 5:42:24 PM
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Israel's parliament on Wednesday night, 17 July 2024, passed a resolution rejecting a two-state solution and declaring the establishment of a Palestinian state "an existential danger to the state of Israel".

The Knesset motion, which has no legal weight, was passed with 68 votes in favour and nine against.

The move rejected the establishment of an independent Palestinian state, even as part of a peace agreement.

That being the case, another alternative would be the creation of a single Israeli/Palestinian state with joint responsibility at all levels of government, including the presidency, and equal representation in parliament.

I would be very surprised if the Israelis would prefer that solution – but, you never know, maybe they would.

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Posted by Banjo Paterson, Tuesday, 8 October 2024 5:07:03 AM
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Dear Banjo Paterson,

«I would be very surprised if the Israelis would prefer that solution»

There is no such thing as "the Israelis" - the country is split beyond repair, between those who originally came there to live (and let live) and others who later came there to die (and kill).

The former prefer two separate states, so each can live their own lives, while the latter prefer one big state, where they be the masters and both the non-Jewish and less-Jewish be their servants.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Tuesday, 8 October 2024 7:55:22 AM
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Such a sad state of affairs.

There will be no peace and security for
Israelis until Palestinians enjoy freedom, justice
and equality. And the violence won't end until the
conditions that produced it end.

Under the UN Charter, colonized people have the
right to struggle for their liberation even with
armies. The successful
ending to such a struggle lies in the creation of a
democratic state that includes all of its inhabitants.

Sadly this does not appear to be going to happen any time
soon
Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 8 October 2024 8:46:29 AM
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Terrorists mock us in our own country. They think we are fools. The clowns in our apology for a government are certainly fools.

“From Australia to the world: Stop the Israeli aggression in Lebanon”. Hezbollah has adopted Australia as an ally.

So dopy are the police and governments in Australia, the terror supporters in Sydney were waving slightly altered versions of the Hezbollah flag to make them “legal” after the cops told them that the real thing was seen as ‘a little bit naughty’.

The clownish coppers are now saying that the flags are “nuanced”, pathetically wriggling off the hook again.

“Hasbulla” is also being used to fool the fools.

All they need now are copies of Foxy’s ‘poor bubba Palestine’ posts to hand around.
Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 8 October 2024 8:48:07 AM
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