Israel is doing what it must do to survive; and what bigoted, ant-Semitic nutjobs and keyboard theorists think will not make a jot of difference - their constant ramblings are a disgrace and an insult to decency, to Jewish Australians, and Australia's reputation for one being one of the few countries in the world where Jews have always been safe.

Speaking from Israel, Andrew Bolt reports that, apart from a tiny majority, Israelis of both the Left and Right want the war fought and won. The war will not be stopped because big-mouthed ignoramuses in the West think it should be.

Bolt reminds us of the Palestinian “victims” still claiming to be refugees after 76 years. Only by UNRWA are the great grandchildren of actual refugees classed as refugees, when real refugees elsewhere have moved on and made lives for themselves without blaming and hating other people and wanting to kill them.

https://youtu.be/g5bDJmTmNUE?si=5bX6JpdMYWJ0ozhJ

Foxy,

I agree, Hamas can't keep claiming victim status - when they
cause the problems in the first place and then justify
their actions under the pretext of "resistance." when
the injured parties fight back. Hamas needs to shed
its genocidal nature and embrace normal statehood.

Dear Foxy,

«Israel's deliberate industrial
scale attacks on the Palestinian people under the
pretext of "self defence" is murder»

That would be the case had it indeed been just a pretext.

It is not.

The fact that Israel's present government also has other goals in mind, sinister goals even, makes no difference to that simple fact.

The injured party which fights back, is Israel.

«Israel's needs to shed
its colonial regime.and embrace normal statehood.»

From my vantage point I can understand what you are saying,
yet most Israelis would have no clue what you talk about any more than Inca emperor Atahualpa when he was given a Bible, that is if you wish to influence anyone rather than just talk to yourself.

While the Israeli occupation could resemble colonialism in some ways, all the average Israeli ever heard about colonialism is that "In 1948 we managed to kick out the British colonial enemy".

Nobody in Israel would even imagine that when you mention 'colonialism' you could be talking about them.

Yet if you mention "Messianic Judaism" instead, then everyone there would know exactly what you are talking about.

Israel's needs to shed its Messianic Judaism and become a friendly space for normal Israelis.

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Dear Ttbn,

Better not involve Jews, certainly not Australian Jews in this debate: associating Israel with Jews or Jews with Israel, can only place both in harms way. We are seeing this already.

Yuyutsu,

Simon Tisdall writes:

"Israel has no inborn right to act in defiance of
international norms and laws. It's problems and
challenges are not unique. Occupation is toxic to
security, legitimacy, and recognition. An independent
Palestine is necessary, desirable, and inevitable."

"For their country to flourish, more Israelis must
accept these truisms and reject governments and leaders
who believe and behave otherwise."

Well said.

Tisdall says that Israel has a choice between a successful
inclusive democracy at peace with its neighbours or a
nation sliding into authoritarianism, or worse, forever
under siege.

See you on another discussion. Bye.

Dear Foxy,

I have no idea why you needed to bring in this fellow, Tisdall, whoever he may be and who cannot spell "Its" correctly:

Professor Leibowitz, who was a renowned observant orthodox Israeli Jew, has essentially said the same already in 1967 (though he did not mention "Palestinians" because there were none at the time, he used "Arabs" instead):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMLxjZ4ZUPI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQNd4Vinfks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zz-QMDPW5RM