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The Forum > General Discussion > The fallacy of a 2 state solution for Palestine.

The fallacy of a 2 state solution for Palestine.

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Y,

Saying that the Arab citizens didn't start the war Hamas did. However, the Arabs did support Hamas, provided it with 10000s of soldiers and helped and cheered at the murdered and raped Israelis. The citizens of Gaza are far from blameless.

Israel has killed about 10,000 Arab terrorists and captured about the same. They have destroyed Hamas's tunnels and destroyed their weapons. Hamas is far from winning.

Also, UNWAR is being defunded depriving Hamas of future funding.
Posted by shadowminister, Thursday, 7 March 2024 3:31:47 AM
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Dear ShadowMinister,

From Sinwar's perspective, everything is good and going to plan.

The suffering and death of Gazans is the least of his concerns, nor even the death of his own troops. For him they were all just chess pieces and he played them well!

Even the loss of control in Gaza, is not a big deal for him - Gaza, you know, was never the jewel in his crown... it's the crowdiest slum on earth and a gate to hell which no country is willing to take responsibility over.

Sinwar spent 22 years in an Israeli prison, and his sole purpose is revenge, to inflict as much pain on Israel as possible - and sure he does, and in so many ways!

A portion of Gazan Arabs supported Hamas before October 7th, now there are less of them - many are still afraid of Hamas returning, but others are demonstrating against Hamas and telling IDF soldiers that they would like them to stay.

OTOH, outside Gaza hardly any other Arabs supported Hamas before October 7th, and now many do - and not only Arabs, but even 20% of American citizens, more so the young, whereas American support to Israel dropped to an all-time-low of only 58%. In other countries, the lives of Israelis and even of uninvolved Jews are in danger - Israel is losing all its friends and that is far more important for Sinwar than Gaza and its people... actually even more than his own life.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Thursday, 7 March 2024 2:12:55 PM
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Y,

I am sure that Sinwar was too stupid to expect the ferocity of Israel's response. All the defences and weapons that Hamas have built and accumulated are destroyed and the 40,000 soldiers that Hamas assembled and trained more than half have been killed or captured. And the people Hamas were meant to protect have been battered, humiliated and impoverished.

The last sighting of Sinwar was of him and his family were scuttling away before he was captured or killed. Remembering the long memory of the Israelis, Sinwar is not likely to have a long and happy life.
Posted by shadowminister, Friday, 8 March 2024 10:06:12 AM
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Dear ShadowMinister,

It is important not to underestimate your enemy.

Sinwar is intelligent, he speaks fluent Hebrew which he learned in prison, understands Israeli mentality and he is not afraid of death. In my view he expected and welcomes the ferocity of Israel's response. In my view he does not care and has no interest in protecting the people of Gaza. He is a calculated monster and needs to be treated as such.

Sinwar was not captured or killed so far.
In fact he was yesterday communicating with Hamas leadership and told Hamas global leader Ismail Haniyeh to stop the negotiations. Haniyeh was willing to sign a cease-fire deal yesterday, but Sinwar is now unwilling to return the remaining women and elderly hostages - he is even willing to return Israeli soldiers for a heavy price, but not the civilians because he understands Israeli mentality very well and knows that they are his best card.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Friday, 8 March 2024 10:48:30 AM
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Y,

Describing Sinwar "an evil man will destroy everything so he can rule over the ashes"

Sinwar is not as intelligent as you think, he has brought Hamas to its knees, and the hostages are not as powerful as he thinks they are. Holding the hostages enables the Israelis to purge Gaza of Hamas. They have about 10000 "hostages"
Posted by shadowminister, Friday, 8 March 2024 12:44:12 PM
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Dear ShadowMinister,

«Holding the hostages enables the Israelis to purge Gaza of Hamas.»

Holding the hostages may enable Netanyahu, but not the Israelis who are tired after 5 months of fighting: 100,000s Israelis were displaced out of their homes, both around the Gaza strip and near Israel's northern border with Lebanon, around 600 soldiers killed (probably more, that's what we are allowed to know) on top of those killed on October 7th, and while we are not officially told of the numbers, some suggest up to 20,000 soldiers wounded, many of them have lost limbs. Many businesses have also collapsed because their owners were called to reserve duty or are displaced. The Israeli villages around the Gaza strip used to produce 25% of Israel's food, but now are mostly laid bare, same on Israel's northern borders where many homes were destroyed and large chicken farms destroyed, including where 9,000 chicken were killed by just one Hezbollah rocket, also including Israel's largest fruit-packing factory which was hit and is non-operational. Meanwhile Israel is losing its few remaining friends around the globe where Jews too are exposed to a huge wave of anti-Semitism. Israel's ammunition will also not last forever, and a shortage of ammunition means greater risk and casualties to ground troops - how more so if the war in Lebanon becomes full-scale. The Israeli hostages are meanwhile starving and dying, one by one or seven by seven as we were recently told.

Israel too needs a rest, at least a temporary cease-fire, there is wailing everywhere, yet Netanyahu knows that the moment the war ends, so goes he. His crimes are too many to count, and are not limited just to ignoring the warning signs for October 7th, so he must continue the war at all costs to achieve his private victory, indeed extremely painful costs to both the Israeli people and Jews abroad.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Friday, 8 March 2024 1:56:36 PM
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