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Talk of Israel's 'Genocide' is Nonsense

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Dear Ttbn,

«I find it ridiculous to expect Israel, or any other country, to take care of an enemy' civilians.»

This is not a matter for expectations.
Israel ought to help enemy civilians not because it is expected to, but because it is the good thing to do, because that is what Jesus would have done, or do you still consider yourself a Christian?

"Ubi cáritas et amor, Deus ibi est"

- Where charity and love are, surely there dwells God.

«It doesn't happen elsewhere, and it should not be happening now.»

I note that you also oppose Australian aid to Ukraine and accepting refugees.

Israel is lucky to have, relatively speaking, the most moral army in the world, doing well and over beyond what would be expected of anyone else in that difficult situation;
and is also so blessed that whenever it morally lapses, there comes the chorus of all Armchair Critics and Special Deliveries of the world to remind it and help it return to the straight and narrow.

«It is foolish of Israel to be giving the warnings it is now, virtually telling Hamas what it's going to do next»

Now you seem to belittle the professionalism of the IDF:

Do you really think that they don't know themselves exactly what and when should be kept secret?

Let alone considerations of morality - even from a practical point of view, warning civilians in advance whenever it is safe to do so, is helping Israel by helping America to continue providing it the ammunition it so much needs.

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Dear Delivery,

Israel did what it could within reason to warn Gazan civilians in advance and provide them with safe escape routes. This is more than the Australian army did in Vietnam and Afghanistan.

«Germans never gave up Nazism they just passed the baton to the Zionists, with guaranteed German support.»

Who exactly are these mysterious "Zionists" that you speak of?

Are you aware that presently, Germany is working together with the European-Union (bar Hungary) on imposing further painful sanctions on the Nazi Jewish settlers in the West Bank?
Posted by Yuyutsu, Sunday, 11 February 2024 1:13:58 PM
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Yuyutsu

My opposition to aiding Ukraine or accepting refugees has nothing to do with this topic or what Israel does. Getting off track, using irrelevancies, is not helpful. I could drag up all your very Lefty ideas on other matters, but I haven't, because I don't assume that they have any bearing on this matter, as you apparently have in my case.
Posted by ttbn, Sunday, 11 February 2024 3:03:57 PM
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Yuyutsu said;
If Israel were to do that, then it would lose its credibility for generations, in all

Rubbish ! If the opponents can claim that right why cannot Israel ?
The Koran permits it, so why cannot their opponents have the same rights ?

As far as holding bodies hostage, that is about as low as you can go.
To prevent their loved ones from having the finality of burial is just
to heap cruelty upon cruelty.

There is no point in arguing the rights anyway because Islam has
demonstrated its immorality many times to non moslems.
The Garzans were very happy on 7h October and even joined in the fun.
They simply lost any rights to even handedness.
If you push nations like this then you risk a desperate nation taking
the final step of using nuclear weapons.
Posted by Bezza, Sunday, 11 February 2024 9:32:55 PM
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Bezza

Agreed. Yuyutsu wants to be 'nice', but he is really naive.
Posted by ttbn, Sunday, 11 February 2024 10:29:07 PM
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Dear Bezza,

I do not consider it to be worth risking the life of the living for mere corpses that cannot be brought back to life.

My dear ones have passed on. I have an inkling that my dear late mother now lives as a girl in the Tyrolian Alps of northern Italy. I could be wrong of course, she could be anywhere, but she certainly did not remain in the grave where her useless bones are buried, I could not find her there.

Israel, and any other country for that matter, deserves to live and thrive because it behaves better, more morally than its surrounding Islamic countries. Yes, these Islamists stoop very low, but were Israel to stoop as low as them, then I would see no reason why it should even continue to exist!
Posted by Yuyutsu, Sunday, 11 February 2024 10:41:26 PM
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"Or are you saying they evacuated the citizens before the bombing?"
- In some cases, they told people to leave and go to a certain 'place' and then they bombed that place.
So that, as well as the executions of civilians, the deliberate starvation and parading people around in their undies (not to mention the wilful and excessive killing of women and kids) throws that 'most moral army in the world' claim into the dustbin, sorry.
- Saying it doesn't make it true.

"Rubbish ! If the opponents can claim that right why cannot Israel ?
The Koran permits it, so why cannot their opponents have the same rights ?"
- Do you hold human rights as an ideal with higher value than religious fervour?
Do you think we should murder all the Muslims just because they are Muslim?
- I'm not a friend of Islam and certainly not Wahabbism, but I won't let fear of Islam deprive me of my humanity to the point I support atrocities, no.

"The Garzans were very happy on 7h October and even joined in the fun."
- You might too if you were born and lived there, Tarzan.
You think being Islamic nullifies a right to resist an occupation and the theft of land the international community recognises as Palestinian.
You think they are angry because they are Islam, not because they are subjagated and oppressed.
If it were a different country having their land taken, you might be begging our leaders to send military aid.

"Israel, and any other country for that matter, deserves to live and thrive because it behaves better, more morally than its surrounding Islamic countries."

Treat others how you'd like to be treated, otherwise expect blowback.
The Israeli occupation relies on intelligence to be effective, and in order to have intelligence, you need informants and subjugation.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Monday, 12 February 2024 5:54:38 AM
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