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Posted by Yuyutsu, Saturday, 10 February 2024 10:59:41 PM
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This is the type of humanitarian aid that Israel likes best.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-02-11/body-of-gaza-girl-ambulance-team-trapped-under-israeli-fire-foun/103452508 Killing kids. Posted by Armchair Critic, Sunday, 11 February 2024 5:13:19 AM
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Yuyutsu
I think that it is Hamas's responsibility to protect its own citizens, not Israel's. After all, 75% of Gazans support Hamas. And, no matter what Israel does it is always going to be criticised by the usual ignorant suspects. Posted by ttbn, Sunday, 11 February 2024 7:00:49 AM
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Dear Critic,
«This is the type of humanitarian aid that Israel likes best.» The article you presented, itself says that it cannot tell what happened to the ambulance, how less so about the motive behind it, if any. All it says is that "civilians must be protected", with which I agree. There is no evidence that Israel either did it or likes what happened (as if "Israel" was a person with just one view and set of preferences, which it is not). More likely, that crime (if indeed it was a crime and not an accident) was either an act of the Nazi Jewish settlers or a deliberate staging by Hamas, which cares more about propaganda than about the lives of children, yet the fact that you chose to present this article and in this manner, indicates that YOU like this sort of things, that finding it in this morning's news has indeed made your day. --- Dear Ttbn, Hamas is neither able nor willing to protect Gazan citizens, I think the pre-war percentage of Hamas supporters in Gaza was closer to only 60% rather than to 75%, but in any case the remaining 25-40% are suffering enormously and should be helped. Israel can also benefit greatly by winning the hearts of the others too. As Hamas weakens, more Gazans dare to come out and demonstrate for the release of Israeli hostages, more Gazans openly curse Hamas, more Gazans congratulate Israeli soldiers and ask them to stay. Israel may not be legally obliged, but is morally obliged to help them. Posted by Yuyutsu, Sunday, 11 February 2024 8:08:51 AM
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Yuyutsu
"Hamas is neither able nor willing to protect Gazan citizens..". Well, that's stiff cheese for the Gazans. If, as you say that they are coming out against Hamas, they have left it a bit late, and most of them approved of Hamas before Israel was attacked, and while they thought things would end as they have in the past with another ceasefire, and time for Hamas to refresh their the plans to wipe Israel of the map. Apart from that, I find it ridiculous to expect Israel, or any other country, to take care of an enemy' civilians. It doesn't happen elsewhere, and it should not be happening now. It is foolish of Israel to be giving the warnings it is now, virtually telling Hamas what it's going to do next - and still being accused of genocide! Posted by ttbn, Sunday, 11 February 2024 10:15:29 AM
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'Contrary to the rules, Hamas DELIBERATELY targeted IsraelI civilians'
What a load of codswallop, what effing rules? The bombing of Dresden in WW2 looks like a garden party when compared to decimation in Gaza. Or are you saying they evacuated the citizens before the bombing? The reality is that the Germans never gave up Nazism they just passed the baton to the Zionists, with guaranteed German support. My saving grace is that I don't think like you Posted by Special Delivery, Sunday, 11 February 2024 10:54:24 AM
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«Israel to make the best agreement it can that will release all the
hostages and the bodies of those hostages that Hamas has killed.
When all the hostages are released then Israel should announce that
they are abrogating the agreement»
Israel is to remain for the long run while Hamas is not.
If Israel were to do that, then it would lose its credibility for generations, in all matters and not only with Muslim countries.
Israel's credit rating, for example, was just reduced today due to the war from A1 to A2 - should Israel break promises like you suggest, then its rating would drop straight to C, because no investors could trust it either!
Also, should Israel behave as badly as its surrounding enemies, then why should it even be allowed to exist?
According to the agreement which Israel recently rejected, in order to secure the hostages, Israel would have to withdraw from Gaza, then stay out for 135 days. In my view a deal along these lines can be accepted without cheating, then after 135 days, unless Hamas have left Gaza by then, Israel should go into Gaza again to finish what it started. Note also that these 135 days of calm in Gaza would allow Israel to renew its ammunition stocks as well as to divert troops to its north and permanently change the situation, peacefully or otherwise, on its northern border with Lebanon.
BTW, Israel would make no significant concessions for mere dead bodies. That would be utterly senseless.
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Dear Ttbn,
Yes, 4 battalions left out of 24.
The IDF today completed a plan on how to remove civilians from Rafah and says that the operation in Rafah will be completed before the start of Ramadan, March 10th. I hope it succeeds in getting the civilians out of Rafah and providing them with humanitarian aid before it enters there to finish its job.