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Talk of Israel's 'Genocide' is Nonsense

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61% of Australians want to stay out of the conflict
entirely.
Posted by Foxy, Friday, 9 February 2024 8:56:15 AM
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Dear Paul,

Well, Netanyahu not only agrees to a cease-fire, he just didn't agree to some of Hamas' other conditions, especially to end the war permanently.

Netanyahu's top interest is to prolong the war, hopefully forever, because the day the war ends spells his personal end as well.

He could even favour a cease-fire as it postpones the end of the war, but then he could be hoping that the absence of a cease-fire may trigger a full and longer war with Lebanon, allowing him extra months/years to survive.

Unfortunately for him, the IDF does not take his hints, because it's the people's army, not his, and the Israeli people do not want to fight forever. In practice, the IDF is now fighting mainly for the hostages as it believes that to be the only way to release them - the IDF would not be so highly motivated otherwise, but sadly time is of the essence as the hostages are now dying, one by one and therefore this war will soon end... and so will Netanyahu!

Why would you expect Netanyahu to prioritise Gazan women and children when he doesn't even prioritise the Israeli hostages?

I notice that you still use the term "Zionist":
Netanayhu is not a Zionist.
Would you care to at least call him and his supporters "Neo-Zionists", in order to distinguish between those fakes from the original Zionists who were peaceful, constructive and respectful of the local Arab population?

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Dear Ttbn,

«In the past few months there has been an Australian rise in support for Israel.»

To really support Israel, one should help it be rid of the poisonous territories it swallowed in 1967, as well as of Netanyahu.

And FREE THE HOSTAGES WHILE SOME OF THEM ARE STILL ALIVE!

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Dear Foxy,

«61% of Australians want to stay out of the conflict entirely.»

And so would about 80% of the Israelis, if they could help it.

In Gaza, terrible as their conditions may be, I estimate the number of Gazans who want to stay out of the conflict entirely to only be around 40%.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Friday, 9 February 2024 9:40:49 AM
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'Australians United Against Anti-Semitism'

Seems like a bit of an oxymoron...

Not all Australians support Israel, so we're certainly not 'United'.
'Criticism' of Israel under the current circumstances isn't just fair it's actually required, because no nation should get away with killing innocent people unchallenged.

'Australians against Anti-Semitism' reads more like
'Australians loyal to Israel, telling other Australians not to criticise Israeli ethnic cleansing, murder, genocide and crimes against humanity'
(I could've made those examples a much larger list)

The Anti-Semitic police seem to think all these things should go unchallenged and not be discussed, because they condone these things.

Who are these 'Australians'; loyal to foreign country
Who are they to tell other Australians what they can and can't think or say?

'Australians United Against Anti-Semitism':

"We're disgusted that you people dare criticise Israels bombing deaths of 30,000 women and kids, the murders committed by IDF and our withholding medicine and wilful starvation of the Palestinian people due to our blockades.
These people are cockroaches and needed to be exterminated anyway
You people are wrong for criticising us and not supporting this project of ethnic cleansing for Eretz Israel
Don't you people realise that for us to wage a different kind of war we need intelligence, which we can only get by using food an medicine to blackmail Palestinians into becoming informants?"

- And this is what you support ttbn?
[Rolls eyes]

Funny how you talked all you crap about foreign issues not mattering and focus on Australia, until there was a foreign issue you cared about ttbn - now look at you go!

They can go for a long march of a short pier, for all I care.
'United', - about as united as Albo's referendum.
Saying it doesn't make it true.

'United For Genocide' - that's what they should call themselves.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Friday, 9 February 2024 10:02:22 AM
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"In Gaza, terrible as their conditions may be, I estimate the number of Gazans who want to stay out of the conflict entirely to only be around 40%."

The majority probably understands that change will not happen until they make it happen, and that peaceful initiatives have gone nowhere, they just waste time while Israel steals more land and more Palestinians suffer.

Palestinians already exist under Israeli oppression.
'Staying out of the conflict entirely' means accepting things the way they are, the subjagation, dehumanisation and everything else'

IDF kicking in your door at 2am and shooting your kids.

The Israelis don't have any reason for wanting the situation to change
No=ones kicking their doors in and invading their homes in the middle of the night.
And they support increased ill-treatment and further subjagation.

Bringing the issue down to a matter of those numbers doesn't do the issue justice, and subverts the possibility of looking at the issue in a much broader sense and for what it actually is..
Posted by Armchair Critic, Friday, 9 February 2024 10:20:20 AM
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Dear Critic,

«IDF kicking in your door at 2am and shooting your kids.»

You seem to be confusing things up with the West Bank.

Over there in the West Bank, yes, and over there the number of people who want to stay out of the conflict entirely is likely closer to 90%, not 40%.

- But we were discussing Gaza and in GAZA (before the war), how and why would the IDF possibly get to your door?
In GAZA, the only one who would and did the above, are Hamas!

«The majority probably understands that change will not happen until they make it happen, and that peaceful initiatives have gone nowhere, they just waste time while Israel steals more land and more Palestinians suffer.»

In GAZA, Israel's peace initiative has gone nowhere because of Hamas.
In GAZA, Israel stole no land, but gave all back.

Following Israel's full withdrawal in 2005 and before Hamas started terrorising Israel from GAZA, Gazans were not blockaded and many in fact worked in Israel. It is only because of Hamas that Israel was forced to blockade them.

«The Israelis don't have any reason for wanting the situation to change»

You must be kidding, or are you so deluded to think that Israelis like the situation? That they like being murdered, raped and taken hostage? That they like being taken for long reserve duty and then returning from Gaza as corpses or with missing limbs? That they like being displaced from their homes in towns and villages close to Israel's borders?

Most Israelis want change, they want peace and have been demonstrating for it and against Netanyahu's government for over a year.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Friday, 9 February 2024 11:38:43 AM
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Yuyutsu

Only Israel and its citizens can can do what you suggest. In the meantime, Israel, with Netanyahu (like him or not) must smash Hamas so that it never again raises its vile head.
Posted by ttbn, Friday, 9 February 2024 12:28:54 PM
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