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Talk of Israel's 'Genocide' is Nonsense

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Israel has been a force for good in the world.

Ask any one of the thousands of lives saved by Israeli rescue teams.

Ask any one who has benefited from drip irrigation... or Israel's medical technology, or Israeli computer technology, or Israeli water reclamation techniques... or any of a dozen other benefits.

Accept Israel exists and will continue to exist and to contribute to our world in many, many ways.
Posted by WhiteMouse, Sunday, 25 February 2024 6:16:52 PM
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WhiteMouse,

Its not a matter of placing the good on one side of the scales, and the bad on the other, and letting them cancel each other out. The fact the Israelis have murdered 30,000 innocent Palestinians, mostly women and children, is in no way mitigated by "drip irrigation", "technology" or "water reclamation techniques", chocolate bars or chests full of gold. No more than one can say Hitlers autobahns cancels out, Hitler's murder of 6 million Jews and others. Just as autobahns cancel none of Hitlers murders, drip feeders cancels none of the Palestinians murdered by the Israelis.

BTW; What number of Palestinian deaths do you equate to "drip feeders" ? I'm interested in your answer.
Posted by Paul1405, Tuesday, 27 February 2024 11:29:45 AM
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Hi Yuyutsu,
Good comments

"The difference between the IDF and other armies, is that whenever such soldiers are caught, they are immediately dismissed and in the more severe cases are arrested and brought to justice."
- I'd say that right now, there are quite a lot of IDF that require 'justice' from atrocities committed.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Wednesday, 28 February 2024 11:20:41 PM
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What happens when US airman opposed to Israels genocide are ordered to prepare for combat duty in Israel, bombing innocent people in Gaza?

- This

Airman dies lighting himself on fire, saying 'free Palestine' outside Israeli Embassy
http://abcnews.go.com/US/man-critical-condition-after-setting-fire-israeli-embassy/story?id=107531773
Posted by Armchair Critic, Thursday, 29 February 2024 12:41:08 AM
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Dear Critic,

«- I'd say that right now, there are quite a lot of IDF that require 'justice' from atrocities committed.»

I'd humbly say that I don't know how many there are, whether few or many, that I hope that if indeed any IDF soldiers commits atrocities then they will be found and brought to justice, and wonder how you come to know any better about it in this fog of battle.

«What happens when US airman opposed to Israels genocide are ordered to prepare for combat duty in Israel, bombing innocent people in Gaza?»

I also am opposed to Israel's genocide, should any ever occur.

As for Aaron's orders, he was stationed in Washington and was responsible there for cyber-defence. Though American cyber operations are administratively attached to air-force command, I doubt he ever flew a plane, or how his superiors would ever allow it while knowing about his history in a strict fundamentalist Christian cult.

Actual air-men are self-motivated, eager to perform their missions and compete among them for being assigned - unlike ground troops who at times (especially Russian conscripts) are helplessly sent out as cheap cannon-fodder, no air-force allows unmotivated people to fly its expensive jets, which once up in the air could easily reverse their targets.

I could well believe that prior to his suicide, Aaron has been speaking to friends about being ordered into secret operations in Gaza's tunnels, just as I heard of someone who speaks of evil demons with horns chasing him and trying to grab him down to hell... and wish him speedy recovery.

Soldiers can (and do) refuse illegal orders.
Pilots who were ordered to bomb places against their conscience, historically defected and landed in other countries, including in Israel.
An order to PREPARE for combat duty, even against civilians, is not illegal.
American forces are known to operate near Israel in order to prevent an escalation of the war into Lebanon, turning it into a second Gaza. Their idea is to deter Hezbollah, and drills where they PREPARE for combat, both above and below ground, are routine and legitimate.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Thursday, 29 February 2024 3:56:54 AM
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