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What is the Origin of the Palestinian People?

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"Even if that were true - in fact its palpable rubbish"

http://twitter.com/CensoredMen/status/1721612696301326821
A Jewsih Rabbi says that everywhere Israel occupies, they should bomb ALL the churches of that region.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 7 November 2023 8:26:12 PM
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Dear Critic,

«You've just killed 5000 bloody kids in a matter of weeks, nearly 10 time the amount killed in Ukraine in over 18 months.»

Yesterday, on a different thread, you responded to me in agreement:

«"So can you think of some other way, something else which Israel could do instead and still effectively defend itself?"

No, honestly I can't really.
They can't do anything accept respond when Hamas is firing missiles at them.
And they can't abandon their people who were taken hostage by Hamas.»

I think that we two can otherwise agree in opposing several of Israel's policies, which you have every right to criticise - but not this one of defending their own children.

You too, I believe, can you honestly claim that if you, God forbid, had to defend and save your own children and the only way of doing so was by killing the children of those who try to kill yours and who were used by them as human shields, then you would have refrained from doing the same?

Ukraine did not use its children as human shields, that's why their child casualties were lower. Ukraine also never murdered its own children in order to boost the number of children whose death can be attributed to Russian aggression.

«A Jewsih Rabbi says that everywhere Israel occupies, they should bomb ALL the churches of that region.»

If that is true then I will gladly send this Rabbi to Gaza.

Regardless, I would still bomb any church under which it is clear that the enemy dug attack tunnels and where it stores weapons and ammunition.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Tuesday, 7 November 2023 10:35:16 PM
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AC, trying very hard to avoid admitting that he just makes things up out of whole clothe writes "I'm still waiting for you to explain the intent and purpose for saying that Palestinians don't have a state."

Well, AC, I've already explained it to you twice and really don't know how to dumb it down for you any further.

Speaking of making things up, AC writes "Israeli Doctors Call for the Targeting of Gaza Hospitals, Ambulances". As usual, AC just parrots the anti-Israel propaganda. In fact the doctors called for the targeting of Hamas terrorists even if they are hiding in hospitals and ambulances. The difference probably eludes AC - most things do. It is a war crime for combatants to use hospitals as a base or to use ambulances as a means of transport. Yet Hamas does both of those things. Two days ago, Egypt turned an ambulance back because it contained Hamas operatives rather than the injured. Of course to people like AC, only Israel is required to abide by the rules of war.
Posted by mhaze, Wednesday, 8 November 2023 6:47:44 AM
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PALESTINE IN THE YEAR 1695
The author Relandi[1], a real scholar, geographer, cartographer and well known philologist, spoke perfect Hebrew, Arabic and ancient Greek, as well as the European languages. The book was written in Latin. In 1695 he was sent on a sightseeing tour to Israel, at that time known as Palestina. In his travels he surveyed approximately 2500 places where people lived that were mentioned in the bible or Mishnah. His research method was interesting.
He first mapped the Land of Israel.
Secondly, Relandi identifies each of the places mentioned in the Mishnah or Talmud along with their original source. If the source was Jewish, he listed it together with the appropriate sentence in the Holy Scriptures. If the source was Roman or Greek he presented the connection in Greek or Latin.
Thirdly, he also arranged a population survey and census of each community.
His most prominent conclusions
1. Not one settlement in the Land of Israel has a name that is of Arabic origin. Most of the settlement names originate in the Hebrew, Greek, Latin or Roman languages. In fact, till today, except to Ramlah, not one Arabic settlement has an original Arabic name. Till today, most of the settlements names are of Hebrew or Greek origin, the names distorted to senseless Arabic names. There is no meaning in Arabic to names such as Acco (Acre), Haifa, Jaffa, Nablus, Gaza, or Jenin and towns named Ramallah, El Halil and El-Kuds (Jerusalem) lack historical roots or Arabic philology. In 1696, the year Relandi toured the land, Ramallah, for instance, was called Bet'allah (From the Hebrew name Beit El) and Hebron was called Hebron (Hevron) and the Arabs called Mearat HaMachpelah El Chalil, their name for the Forefather Abraham.
Posted by Josephus, Wednesday, 8 November 2023 9:55:05 AM
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2. Most of the land was empty, desolate, and the inhabitants few in number and mostly concentrate in the towns Jerusalem, Acco, Tzfat, Jaffa, Tiberius and Gaza. Most of the inhabitants were Jews and the rest Christians. There were few Muslims, mostly nomad Bedouins. Nablus, known as Shchem, was exceptional, where approximately 120 people, members of the Muslim Natsha family and approximately 70 Shomronites, lived.
In the Galilee capital, Nazareth, lived approximately 700 Christians and in Jerusalem approximately 5000 people, mostly Jews and some Christians.
The interesting part was that Relandi mentioned the Muslims as nomad Bedouins who arrived in the area as construction and agriculture labor reinforcement, seasonal workers.
In Gaza for example, lived approximately 550 people, fifty percent Jews and the rest mostly Christians. The Jews grew and worked in their flourishing vineyards, olive tree orchards and wheat fields (remember Gush Katif?) and the Christians worked in commerce and transportation of produce and goods. Tiberius and Tzfat were mostly Jewish and except of mentioning fishermen fishing in Lake Kinneret -- the Lake of Galilee -- a traditional Tiberius occupation, there is no mention of their occupations. A town like Um el-Phahem was a village where ten families, approximately fifty people in total, all Christian, lived and there was also a small Maronite church in the village (The Shehadah family).
Posted by Josephus, Wednesday, 8 November 2023 9:57:23 AM
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3. The book totally contradicts any post-modern theory claiming a Palestinian heritage, or Palestinian nation. The book strengthens the connection, relevance, pertinence, kinship of the Land of Israel to the Jews and the absolute lack of belonging to the Arabs, who robbed the Latin name Palestina and took it as their own.
In Granada, Spain, for example, one can see Arabic heritage and architecture. In large cities such as Granada and the land of Andalucia, mountains and rivers like Guadalajara, one can see genuine Arabic cultural heritage: literature, monumental creations, engineering, medicine, etc. Seven hundred years of Arabic reign left in Spain an Arabic heritage that one cannot ignore, hide or camouflage. But here, in Israel there is nothing like that! Nada, as the Spanish say! No names of towns, no culture, no art, no history, and no evidence of Arabic rule; only huge robbery, pillaging and looting; stealing the Jews holiest place, robbing the Jews of their Promised Land. Lately, under the auspices of all kind of post modern Israelis - also hijacking and robbing us of our Jewish history.
Footnote
[1] From www.answers.com: Adrian Reland (1676-1718), Dutch Orientalist, was born at Ryp, studied at Utrecht and Leiden, and was professor of Oriental languages successively at Harderwijk (1699) and Utrecht (1701). His most important works were Palaestina ex monumentis veteribus illustrata (Utrecht, 1714), and Antiquitates sacrae veterum Hebraeorum.

Written by Avi Goldreich
Posted by Josephus, Wednesday, 8 November 2023 10:05:51 AM
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