Yuyutsu, Thank you! Foxy is well meaning but deluded. She has never been placed in a position trying to reason with someone who breaks into her bedroom to rape and murder her because the Koran commits them to kill.

Dear Josephus,

Thank you for the support, but I don't believe that Hamas is truly motivated by the Koran, I think that they are just sadistic bastards who use it as an excuse.

There are many other Muslims, especially Sufis and Ahmadeians who take the same Koran very seriously, but read it differently.

I support you as well Yuyutsu. According to Foxy we are to blame for the depravity of those terrorists, but would she also tell the victims of of Brevic and Tarrant that they were to blame for the murders they suffered? When you make hatred your way of life you own your choice. Here is some more depravity that Foxy thinks me responsible for:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XayGlzx7jJo

I think that Foxy needs to envision Hamas as a whole community of Brevics and Tarrants, except more depraved. Hatred has no excuses.

Thanks Yuyutsu and Paul for your comments earlier in the day...

"If you really think that my family in Israel are going to give up the fight and allow themselves to be slaughtered just because some lady in Australia, named Foxy, wants them to be in peace, then you must be dreaming."

I absolutely support your family's right to defend themselves Yuyutsu, but for me, Israels right to defend itself doesn't include leveling apartment buildings full of women and kids, though I understand the situation is complicated, especially with hostages.

(Though I don't necessarily consider members of the IDF hostages, there may be a legitimate argument that they are POW's)

I can't help thinking that both sides were playing each other, part of me thinks that Israel allowed the initial attack to happen, thinking they could use it as an excuse come down hard on Hamas.

On the other side though, I can't help thinking that Hamas planned this attack, and part of that plan was knowing full well what the response would be, that Israel would level the place (for all the Muslim world to see in full detail on Al Jazeera) and send ground forces into Gaza.

- I'm thinking that this is EXACTLY what Hamas planned for.

Hamas made the first move, knowing full well that Israel would react in a certain way, and that's part of their plan, knowing what Israels reaction would be.

Whether that's a plan to annihilate those ground forces, or to pull other groups into the mix like Hezbollah and create a wider conflict in the region I'm not entirely sure.

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One thing is for sure though.
Netanyahu is stuck between a rock and a hard place...
He has to try to free the hostages, he can't do nothing.
(Not that I like the man or his political stance, I oppose it)

The footage of the carnage going on in Gaza has riled up Muslims everywhere, and I have my criticisms of Israel and the Jewish religion, but set that aside and I am actually worried that there will end up being knife attacks on Jews and synagogues, and any gains Jews have made in lowering 'antisemitism', (can't believe I said that) well that's all been thrown away.

This attack on Gaza has made Jews the whole world over a lot less safe.
If I was in Israel, I'd be thinking of taking a 6 month holiday abroad, I have no idea how this will all end.
I hope your family members stay safe during these crazy times.

Barack Obama wrote an article a few days back.
I think it may demonstrate that there are people of influence in the US who might be getting nervous that the whole thing could blow up, and turn out badly for both Israel and the US.

Thoughts on Israel and Gaza
http://barackobama.medium.com/my-statement-on-israel-and-gaza-a6c397f09a30

Scrape away the emotive clap trap from the likes of Josephus; "She (Foxy) has never been placed in a position trying to reason with someone who breaks into her bedroom to rape and murder her because the Koran commits them to kill" And what's exposed is Josephus, Fester, Yuyutsu and others here supporting the crime of 'State Sanctioned Murder', which is being perpetrated by the state of Israel, in the form of "Collective Punishment" of innocent Palestinians, being punishment for the murderous acts of others... namely Hamas criminals. There are a few of us on this forum with enough humanity, Foxy is one such person, who will not accept murder of the innocent as retribution for the crimes of the guilty. To do so is stepping on very dangerous ground. You must then believe the actions of the Al-Qaeda terrorists in murdering almost 3,000 innocent people on 11th September 2001 was a justifiable act of retaliation for the murderous acts committed by Americans against innocent Arabs in Middle Eastern wars.

Josephus, Fester and Yuyutsu, what is your reasoning and justification for accepting "Collective Punishment" of innocent Palestinians by the Israeli?