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U.S politics and religion adding to the Middle East crisis

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Josephus,

UNICEF tells us that the staggering rates of deaths and
injuries of children in Gaza " is a growing stain on our
collective conscience."

And United Nations Secretary-General Antonio Guterres
has called for a cease fire in the Israel-Hamas was
as the Israeli military supported by US money and
military armaments continues its bombardment of Gaza.

This must be stopped before more innocents die.
Maximum pressure must be applied for a
cease-fire.
Posted by Foxy, Friday, 27 October 2023 9:01:33 AM
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OK Foxy, a cease fire, then what ?
You might get some hostages released, but they are valuable chess pieces.
Just argue about it until everyone gets bored and wait till the next time ?
Surely, even you can see that is not an option ?
Posted by Bezza, Friday, 27 October 2023 10:50:12 AM
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So Bezza - let me get this right.

Are you saying that things should continue as they are?

Can they really bomb their way to peace?

Middle East Studies experts at ANU and Sydney University
tell us that this is not a military issue but a historical
one.
That you can't solve this conflict with weapons - only
dialogue.

That if Israel did wipe out Hamas - another
movement would take its place.

We're told that the West is responsible morally and ethically
for this conflict. And, it needs to seriously solve the
problem through diplomatic and political dialogue to create a
balance of power between the two sides and ensure BOTH sides compromise.

I'm no expert. But what they're saying makes sense. The United
States needs to apply maximum pressure - but which
leader is going to do it? Not much hope there.

Anyway, I'm done arguing. All I can do is pray and hope that
maybe this will happen in my lifetime while I can still
travel. I'd love to visit the region - and spend time in
those historic holy places. It's been a wish of mine for a long
time.
Posted by Foxy, Friday, 27 October 2023 11:11:37 AM
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Dear Foxy,

«Middle East Studies experts at ANU and Sydney University
tell us that this is not a military issue but a historical one.
That you can't solve this conflict with weapons- only dialogue.»

Then let us accept what these respected professors say, at face value: that this conflict, which already lasted a century or so, will not be solved and might continue for another century.

Fine, that being the case, lets move on and get on with life.

Babies were born into that conflict, some were killed, some maimed, but most survived, had their own families, grew old and then passed away: the conflict was always in their background, they knew not a day without it, but they still had a life.

«Can they really bomb their way to peace?»

Why, who ever claimed so?

The Israeli army now has an important job to do, it received a list of objectives, but peace was never one of them, so why introduce that red herring?

Yes, you can find inner peace, unshakable, but then you must work for it, make efforts, others cannot do that for you.

If you really think that my family in Israel are going to give up the fight and allow themselves to be slaughtered just because some lady in Australia, named Foxy, wants them to be in peace, then you must be dreaming.

Sweet dreams then and here is a bedtime story for you:
A young Hamas militant lad broke into a house in a kibbutz in the early hours of the morning while the residents were still sleeping. He found there a beautiful teenager girl in her bed, he beat her, laid her face down on the floor, tore up her pajamas, raped her, shot her in the head, took her phone and called his parents: "Mom, Dad, guess what - today I killed 10 Jews", so the parents replied "Good boy, we are proud of you". Happy End.

This story and similar others are not from the Grimm Brothers or the Marquis De Sade: they recently happened for real. Do sleep well.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Friday, 27 October 2023 3:33:14 PM
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Yuyutsu,

Please don't address any more posts to me.
I have no wish to either argue or interact
with you.
Posted by Foxy, Friday, 27 October 2023 3:44:42 PM
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Dear Foxy,

«I have no wish to either argue or interact
with you.»

Neither did my family wish to either argue or interact with the Hamas.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Friday, 27 October 2023 3:59:48 PM
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