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That sinking feeling

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I also heard the west is preparing narratives for Ukraine's inevitable collapse.
They can't prevent Ukraine from losing the war, but they wish to spin it in a way that it wasn't the Wests fault, and they did everything they could.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Monday, 30 October 2023 9:47:03 PM
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Baldrick,

Whenever you say "I heard" I know that what is going to follow is pure drivel.

According to forbes that you like to quote so often:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2023/08/06/the-ukrainian-air-force-lost-62-planes-in-2022-so-far-in-2023-it-has-lost-just-seven/?sh=20391b3841b3

Not only has Ukraine lost only 7 fixed-wing aircraft this year, but they have received 45 ex-soviet fighters from other countries and will receive up to 60 F16s in the new year giving it more and better aircraft than Ukraine started the war with and with far better air to air missiles and longer range HARM missiles to take out Russian air defences.

As for air defences, the Patriot air defences are shooting down 100% of the Khinzal missiles and most other missiles as well as well as 6 Su25s at Avdivka this month.

I also see that Russia is calling for peace negotiations. Not surprising seeing how badly the Russian army is doing.
Posted by shadowminister, Tuesday, 31 October 2023 9:07:45 AM
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Yeah...

That's why we see Russia send drones and missiles...
Blow the shite out of everything, and then Ukraine says "We took down all 18 drones and missiles fired"...

Huh?

Charter boat, what charter boat, charter boat.

"HARM missiles to take out Russian air defences."
- Harm missiles are to take out Russian ground based radar...
But they don't work well, Russia jams them and they miss their targets
Not only that it won't matter if Russia is using its AWACS radar systems which are much larger range with their S-400.

Total of 7 in 2023 till August?
No wonder they're throwing conniption fits losing some 25 aircraft in 5 days.
Hurry up and send the F16's and our F 18's
- more scrap metal for Putin's western demilitarisation trash compactor.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 31 October 2023 9:47:31 AM
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Baldrick,

It's more the case that the Ukrainians are blowing the crap out of the Russians. 14 helicopters in one night for example. An oil refinery, a Rusky training camp.

Run Rusky run. OOps, more rotting Russians.

Russia is losing this war.
Posted by shadowminister, Tuesday, 31 October 2023 3:55:37 PM
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Ukraine official says it can't properly use its Western kit because it has so few soldiers left, report says
http://www.businessinsider.in/international/news/ukraine-official-says-it-cant-properly-use-its-western-kit-because-it-has-so-few-soldiers-left-report-says/articleshow/104864630.cms
Posted by Armchair Critic, Wednesday, 1 November 2023 9:43:58 AM
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Baldrick,

I remember you saying the same thing just before Ukraine kicked the Russians out of Kharkiv and Kherson.

The Ukrainian army is standing at about 500,000 and has been massacring Russians in the 1000s and destroying their aircraft, tanks etc at an ever-increasing rate.
Posted by shadowminister, Wednesday, 1 November 2023 2:01:10 PM
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