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That sinking feeling

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Since Russia cancelled the grain deal Ukraine has massively ramped up its attacks on Russia's black sea fleet. The toll on Russian ships so far this month has been extensive. First, an oil tanker and landing ship were badly damaged by water-born drones, next a submarine and another landing ship were destroyed in the dry dock by storm shadow missiles, and a patrol boat was destroyed by a water-born drone and recently two further ships have been badly damaged.

The dry docks are also damaged and full of burnt-out craft making repairing the badly damaged ships difficult until the dry docks become serviceable again.

It looks as though Russia is losing control of the black sea to a country without a navy.
Posted by shadowminister, Wednesday, 20 September 2023 11:14:14 AM
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Dear ShadowMinister,

Please don't rejoice too early because the battle is still long: China's fleet is very strong and they haven't yet lost even one ship. Ukraine is only a probe where they use their junior partner to test the waters.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Thursday, 21 September 2023 6:12:31 AM
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Greg Copley, President of the International Strategic Studies Ass., and Global Information Inc, advises that Russia is getting "stronger and stronger", and Ukraine is getting "weaker and weaker", still hanging on only because of Western help, which will soon be withdrawn because there is "no point to it".
Posted by ttbn, Thursday, 21 September 2023 7:44:53 AM
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ttbn,
That's what it looks like to me too !
Posted by Indyvidual, Thursday, 21 September 2023 9:21:18 AM
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Y,

As China isn't fighting, to lose a ship would be careless. It is rumoured that they have lost a nuclear sub recently.

ttbn, The ISSA is a one-horse organisation with apparently bogus qualifications. More reputable organisations like the ISW rate Russia's combat capability to have been reduced to less than 50% of what it was before its illegal invasion whereas Ukraine's combat capability has increased dramatically with its long-range weapons taking a constant toll and the cluster munitions killing hundreds of Russians daily. To all extents, Russia has lost the capability to mount an offensive and is struggling to hold Ukraine back.

Russia is losing this war.
Posted by shadowminister, Thursday, 21 September 2023 10:38:44 AM
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"More reputable organisations like the ISW"

Lol..
This is where you get your info from?
Why am I not surprised.

So you get your news from the exact people who started the war?

Don't you know that Victoria Nuland bragged about spending 5 billion to help enable the 2014 overthrow of Ukraine and that her husband, Robert Kagan, his family runs the ISW - all neoconservative warmongers.

It all makes sense now why you think the way you do SM.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Thursday, 21 September 2023 11:30:49 AM
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