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That sinking feeling

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Well the price of victory doesn't come cheap.
But for the Ukrainians it will be 'unconditional surrender'.

I'm interested to know how your brain will break when Ukraine and the west accept defeat, which is more or less where we are at already.

The EU and the US can talk up all the billions in funding it wants.
Throwing money around does not equate to industrial capacity to produce said weapons and the West can't match Russia's ability to replace munitions it uses.

Zelenskyy warns that supply of vital artillery ammunition to Ukraine has 'really slowed down'
http://abcnews.go.com/International/zelenskyy-warns-supply-vital-artillery-ammunition-ukraine-slowed/story?id=104976430

'The EU has just given Ukraine 15bn euro'

Maybe the Ukrainians can throw Euros at the Russians instead of firing ammunition at them, when it runs out?
Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 12 December 2023 8:08:44 PM
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'The EU has just given Ukraine 15bn euro'
- the 15 bln it skimmed off Russias frozen central bank assets?

How those Eurotrash lapdogs can bend over and pull their cheeks apart for their US masters without blowback from their constituents is beyond me.

Considering you're one of the United States and Israels top altar boys I'm sure you'd be impressed with their loyal conviction.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Wednesday, 13 December 2023 10:38:29 PM
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Baldrick,

As you are one of Putin's rent boys most of what you spout is drivel. This is about the 10th time that you have claimed that Ukraine is beaten and about to surrender and each time they come back and kick the sh1t out of the Russians.

After 3 months of getting their troops slaughtered and littering the countryside with their burnt-out tanks and AFVs, the Russians have switched to "active defence". The toll on the Russians at Avdivvka is estimated to be 13,000 killed or wounded, and about 1000 armoured vehicles incl tanks and 8 aircraft. Most of these are eliminated well before reaching the front line.

Russia's fighting strength is now only about 50% of what it was before its unprovoked invasion of Ukraine and its economy is circling the drain.

The question is how will it will take for Russians to put Putin before a firing squad and leave Ukraine including Crimea.
Posted by shadowminister, Thursday, 14 December 2023 4:52:23 AM
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By Rachel Lyngaas, Chief Sanctions Economist, U.S. Department of Treasury

Putin is feeling the impacts of his war in Ukraine. Sanctions and export controls are damaging Russia’s economy and limiting its access to the financing and material goods needed to wage its illegitimate war of choice. The United States and our partners have targeted Russia’s primary revenue drivers and access to defence materials, asymmetrically inflicting harm while minimizing unintended spillovers. While Russia has the resources to maintain its war in the short term, its leaders face increasingly painful tradeoffs that will sacrifice long-term prospects — as underinvestment, slow productivity growth, and labour shortages will only deepen.

Three major forces are acting in concert with the Russian economy: the war itself, U.S. and partners’ sanctions and related measures, and the Russian government’s policy response to those measures. As a result of these forces, the Russian economy is reorienting away from private consumption and towards defence spending at the expense of Russian citizens, who will face a long-term decline in living standards.

four key conclusions:

Russia’s macroeconomic performance is suffering due to its war and the impact of the United States and our partners’ sanctions and economic measures. Russians are voting with their feet and leaving the country.
Russia is experiencing increasing fiscal pressure due to growing expenditures and the impact of sanctions on its revenues.
Russia’s policy responses to our sanctions are growing increasingly expensive for Russia.
The United States and our partners have taken innovative measures to spare the global economy from unnecessary damage from Russia’s war.
Posted by shadowminister, Friday, 15 December 2023 5:10:26 AM
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"The question is how will it will take for Russians to put Putin before a firing squad and leave Ukraine including Crimea."

- Well that was Americas aim all along and it's failed spectacularly.
I suppose you could go another step further and say that the true cause is the United States relentless push for the expansion of NATO
So desperate have the West been to achieve this goal that anytime there was a leader in Ukraine that did not support joining NATO, the West (who funded opposition groups) sponsored a coup against the democratically elected government.
- Orange Revolution, Maidan.

Western neoconservatives are obsessed with removing Putin.
Maybe they wanted to install Navalny, have western monopoly capitalists loot Russia for all it's resources, balkanise Russia into smaller 'sovereign' (vassal) states the Western and European powers can rule over and exploit better for the elites.

The West has failed to cause an economical or political crisis that could lead to Putin's ousting.
Russia is not weaker, it is more powerful now.
The West has failed in their Ukrainian counteroffensive.
There's no more funding, weapons or Ukrainian men to fill boots to fight the war.
They can't take back the territory.

US pays for everything, and it's expensive.
No more Ukrainian pensions, no payments to doctors and medical staff
No money for teachers, firemen, no money for government.
No more weapons (which aren't coming from stockpiles anyway which have been emptied) they come from new purchase orders, that enrich corrupt politicians that get jobs for their state and kickbacks.
The West has failed in it's war against Russia, using Ukraine as it's proxy.

The European leaders have completely screwed over their countries, with the cost of war, Ukrainian immigrants and the loss of cheap Russian gas.
Putin's got 3 and a half percent growth, while the rest are in recession.
And the regular people are the ones who have to pay for all of it.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Sunday, 17 December 2023 12:56:14 PM
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"Putin is feeling the impacts of his war in Ukraine. Sanctions and export controls are damaging Russia’s economy and limiting its access to the financing and material goods needed to wage its illegitimate war of choice."

Financing?
- They're selling crude to India at $84 a barrel - $24 above market cap.
Sanctions didn't work.
Trying to stop trade with Russia didn't work either. BRICS
They don't actually need chips from washing machines for their missiles it's all lies you've be told.

"While Russia has the resources to maintain its war in the short term, its leaders face increasingly painful tradeoffs that will sacrifice long-term prospects — as underinvestment, slow productivity growth, and labour shortages will only deepen."
The sanctions helped the underinvestment issue and oligarchs issue.
Targeting individuals, the West stealing billion dollar Russian yachts and English football clubs earned the oligarchs the 'Serve yourself right', and 'You should invest here in Russia where your wealth is safer' spiel from Putin.
Let's not forget the West also GAVE Russia all it's Western businesses back.
Companies like McDonalds just up and left.
Russia stepped in, took the assets, makes a big mac just as good but call it something else, and pays the West nothing.

There's labour shortages, but Russia will incentivise employment to migrants which will add to growth.

"who will face a long-term decline in living standards."
Probably not, maybe just a slower long-term improvement in living standards.

"Russia’s policy responses to our sanctions are growing increasingly expensive for Russia.
The United States and our partners have taken innovative measures to spare the global economy from unnecessary damage from Russia’s war."
Posted by Armchair Critic, Sunday, 17 December 2023 1:44:45 PM
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