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That sinking feeling

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Baldrick, Got your tinfoil hat on?

It's pretty clear that Russia started this war, my information is from photographs of destroyed and damaged ships and photos of destroyed Russian equipment from various sources.

You have yet to show where the ISW has been wrong. Your sources have many times claimed that the entire Ukrainian army was destroyed along with 2x as many aircraft as they have ever possessed and 4x the number of tanks they possessed. All along the front line is the stench of Russian soldiers rotting in the sun.

Russia is losing this war.
Posted by shadowminister, Thursday, 21 September 2023 1:53:09 PM
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Dear ShadowMinister,

«As China isn't fighting,»

But it IS fighting - only each war uses different tactics.

At this time, China is only fighting a proxy war, by sending its junior partner, Russia, to test the waters and see how the West reacts when a smaller country is attacked. Should Russia succeed, then China will be encouraged to launch its next attacks, first on Taiwan then on Japan and Australia.

By itself, the war in Ukraine is of little interest to us, but it is critical for Australia in the larger scheme of things.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Thursday, 21 September 2023 2:36:37 PM
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Y,

No Chinese are fighting and no Chinese equipment is being used, so I struggle to see how China is fighting.

As for the message, the Russian army is being smashed thanks to Allied aid and China has no allies. The message should be clear by now.
Posted by shadowminister, Thursday, 21 September 2023 4:14:14 PM
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I feel very sorry for the ordinary Ukrainian & Russian who have both been made the pawns in a viciously heinous game played by outsiders who make lucrative careers from the sufferings of those people.
Posted by Indyvidual, Thursday, 21 September 2023 6:00:02 PM
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"It's pretty clear that Russia started this war"
- You make out like the war started in 2022.

"the Russian army is being smashed"

Ukraine is pulling kids out of university studies to send to the front and plug the gaps.
They are having Ukrainian men extradited from Europe to go fight.
They have been sending women in to fight.
The ones with dead husbands and no kids seem willing enough.

Keep smashing the Russia army, you're doing so well.
The idiots you listen to would herald a 2 front war with Russia and China at the same time, but the cowards won't do their own fighting.

The US military is not what it was in the 80's, 90's or even 2000's.
Even they can't do combined arms warfare well anymore.
The Ukrainians are being sent to slaughter and are dying at a ratio of 8 to 1.

America wouldn't win against Russia or China individually let alone both at once, 10,000 kilometers from home.
Their army is not big enough and their industrial manufacturing is not up to task to arm and supply a sufficient force to fight either adversary.

Not to mention the question of how would you put troops on the ground, feed and supply them in China?
I'd be more worried about how you're going to fuel the ships, because you know every single port capable of refueling US warships will be destroyed by China on day 1.

How do you think Ukraine fights its war?
- With Russian oil.

If what your aiming for is Ukraine to be completely destroyed your doing at good job at helping.
Do you ever ask yourself that SM, whether your support for Ukraine means more of them die?
- You probably should ask yourself that question, if you actually care about the Ukrainians which I doubt.
I think your driven by hate from a cold war mentality.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Thursday, 21 September 2023 8:01:27 PM
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China is definitely fighting a war. The CCP doesn't differentiate between peacetime and wartime the way the West does. They are fighting a psychological war, and they are winning it.

I have recommended 'When China Attacks' by Colonel Grant Newsham. I have only reached Chapter 6, and already many misconceptions about how China intends to to replace the US - certainly in the Pacific for starters - are clear. Their preference is to do it without firing a shot. They are unlikely to invade any country, apart from Taiwan, whose occupation is vital to keeping the US from getting through the surrounding islands. But, they they firmly believe that they can win without being involved in a major shooting war; and they will, unless the West changes its tactics and starts listening to different advice.

The Ukraine-Russia affair is just a sideshow to keep the West looking in the wrong direction and continuing to think that China thinks they way they do.
Posted by ttbn, Thursday, 21 September 2023 11:21:08 PM
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