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Posted by Armchair Critic, Thursday, 2 November 2023 5:51:07 PM
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U.S., European officials broach topic of peace negotiations with Ukraine, sources say
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/us-european-officials-broach-topic-peace-negotiations-ukraine-sources-rcna123628 'The conversations have included very broad outlines of what Ukraine might need to give up to reach a deal with Russia.' "WASHINGTON — U.S. and European officials have begun quietly talking to the Ukrainian government about what possible peace negotiations with Russia might entail to end the war, according to one current senior U.S. official and one former senior U.S. official familiar with the discussions. The conversations have included very broad outlines of what Ukraine might need to give up to reach a deal, the officials said. Some of the talks, which officials described as delicate, took place last month during a meeting of representatives from more than 50 nations supporting Ukraine, including NATO members, known as the Ukraine Defense Contact Group, the officials said. The discussions are an acknowledgment of the dynamics militarily on the ground in Ukraine and politically in the U.S. and Europe, officials said." Posted by Armchair Critic, Sunday, 5 November 2023 10:24:13 AM
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http://twitter.com/baronitaigas/status/1720921592178368550
>>"A significant share of responsibility for the faith of the average citizen in our quick and beautiful victory lies with me personally. I created an illusion so that we would survive. Today I am destroying it so that we can survive" - Former Presidential Advisor Arestovich<< Posted by Armchair Critic, Monday, 6 November 2023 11:49:03 AM
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Baldrick,
You lie so much that no one can take you seriously. You claim "the following targets have been destroyed since the start of the special military operation: 500 aircraft, 252 helicopters, 8,104 unmanned aerial vehicles, 441 surface-to-air missile systems, 12,778 tanks and other armoured combat vehicles, 1,165 multiple rocket launchers, 6,837 field artillery guns and mortars and 14,463 special military motor vehicles," the ministry said in a statement." This is between 4 and 10 times the number of aircraft, tanks helicopters etc that Ukraine has ever owned. Only a moron would repeat this drivel and expect anyone to believe it. In the liberation of the Kharkiv oblast, Russia was routed leaving behind 1000s of dead and hundreds of fully functional tanks and armoured vehicles tons of ammunition and 100s of Russian prisoners. Russia's flight from Kherson was a heavy defeat and loss of equipment especially after Russia declared it to be Russian territory. This was mostly brought on by Ukrainians destroying the bridges over the river and making Russian resupply very difficult. Recently Ukraine destroyed a brand-new Russian warship docked in Kerch. As for the potential negotiations, the bottom line is that Russia will have to withdraw from all the areas it has occupied. The discussions are largely about the reparations and sanctions. Posted by shadowminister, Tuesday, 7 November 2023 6:26:53 AM
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How ya goin there charter boat...
"Russia's flight from Kherson was a heavy defeat and loss of equipment especially after Russia declared it to be Russian territory. This was mostly brought on by Ukrainians destroying the bridges over the river and making Russian resupply very difficult." That wasn't the main reasons, I told you what it was many times. The risk of Ukraine blowing up the Kharkovka dam, (which they later did) the fact that the troops were overstretched at a time where many soldiers 6mth contracts had ended and many did not renew them, and a need shorten the front line (because they were overstretched) and that they needed to build up defenses in Zaporozhye (Surovikin line) - Remember General Armageddon, - he was promoted at that time... His job was to build up Russian defenses, and he did a fairly good job too because Ukraine hasn't managed to penetrate them. So say whatever you want... His decision to strategically withdrawl was unpopular and a retreat nonetheless but Russian defenses as well as turning Bakhmut and Andrivka into a firebag has broken the back of Ukraine, leaving them completely incapable of weapons and troops to wage any further counteroffensive. All Ukraine can do is pinprick attacks that just prolong the conflict and mean more dead Ukrainians, as well as demilitarising and bankrupting the west. And not only has America lost it's war in Ukraine... It's lost in own people and nation as well. The Republican party has become increasingly Pro-Putin. http://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=Republican+anti-russia+becomes+pro-putin How the GOP became the party of Putin http://www.brookings.edu/articles/how-the-gop-became-the-party-of-putin/ Small segment about the issue above on ABC's Planet America, if you can cop it. Posted by Armchair Critic, Friday, 10 November 2023 8:17:44 PM
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"Recently Ukraine destroyed a brand-new Russian warship docked in Kerch."
Yeah they wrecked it up pretty good didn't they. But its not sunk, and no sailors lost, maybe some poor Russian sods welding and fitting the corvette out copped it. - Maybe Ukraine should try taking back some actual territory instead of looking for propaganda wins, ... oh that's right they tried that and failed didn't they. So I guess this is all they can do to keep the fantasy alive. They could take out 20 yet-to-be commissioned warships and it won't do a damn thing to take back their lost territory would it? "As for the potential negotiations, the bottom line is that Russia will have to withdraw from all the areas it has occupied. The discussions are largely about the reparations and sanctions." Right now the discussions are... Civil war in the Ukrainian government, Zelensky V's Zuluznhy US funding has almost dried up completely. And the Americans are trying to figure out how to make a loss look like a stalemate and keep that going till next November (fat chance) , Whilst Zelensky is saying it's not a stalemate, because he's just about reached his use-by date. It's honestly time for him to jump on a plane, go to a different country and resign. Russia probably doesn't mind Zelensky, they would rather have an incompetent idiot in charge than risking someone better. Also there's a push for, and an increase of women fighting, which means Ukraines military lethality with be decreased, because women just can't do things at the same level men can in military combat. So Ukraine might be able to conduct terrorist like attacks and assassinations, but they are much further away from being capable of taking back territory now than they ever were. Posted by Armchair Critic, Friday, 10 November 2023 8:51:41 PM
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>>MOSCOW, October 20. /TASS/. Russian forces have destroyed 500 Ukrainian combat aircraft and more than 250 helicopters since the start of the special military operation in Ukraine, Russia’s Defense Ministry reported on Friday.
"In all, the following targets have been destroyed since the start of the special military operation: 500 aircraft, 252 helicopters, 8,104 unmanned aerial vehicles, 441 surface-to-air missile systems, 12,778 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 1,165 multiple rocket launchers, 6,837 field artillery guns and mortars and 14,463 special military motor vehicles," the ministry said in a statement.<<
http://tass.com/politics/1694461?utm_source=google.com&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=google.com&utm_referrer=google.com