Hi AC,

Yes, fog of war. Not a good view from the peanut gallery, but safe from stray bullets at least. One of my nephews is engaged to a girl from Eastern Europe, and on a visit to the family recently my brother and sister in law found the solidarity with Ukrainians to be deep and strong.

It's a horrible conflict. No obscurity over that point.

There's some good backstory on Ukrainian nationalism in the following video.

Nazi Debacle a HUGE DEFEAT for NATO's Ukraine War
http://youtu.be/fu38JBzLkfc

I was digging around a bit.
I wanted to show more evidence that many Ukrainians do seem to have NAZI leanings.
Here's a photo of Ukrainians marching with the Waffen SS emblem.
http://www.timesofisrael.com/hundreds-in-ukraine-attend-marches-celebrating-nazi-ss-soldiers/

Which lead me to this...

http://www.jta.org/quick-reads/in-ukraine-far-right-protesters-demand-israel-apologize-for-communist-oppression

I couldn't help be amused by the irony.

"After Israel’s ambassador to Ukraine condemned the honoring of Nazi collaborators in the former Soviet republic, dozens of people rallied outside the Israeli Embassy in Kyiv demanding that Jews apologize for Soviet oppression.

The far-right activists called on Israel and the Jews to assume responsibility specifically for Holodomor, a famine that killed millions of Ukrainians in the 1930s and is widely believed to have been caused by the government of Joseph Stalin, then the leader of the Soviet Union."

- It seems that some some of these Ukrainian nationalists blame the Jews for the rise of communism.

Hi Fester,
"One of my nephews is engaged to a girl from Eastern Europe, and on a visit to the family recently my brother and sister in law found the solidarity with Ukrainians to be deep and strong."

I think when I originally spoke on this topic, or maybe in the years prior to, I often spoke on what my real gripe was.

My motivation for choosing sides was never about loving Russians and hating Ukrainians or vice versa, it was in opposition to sanctions and overthrows and an endless war mentality by the United States and its vassal state minions.

As for this conflict, I wish it never happened and that no-one had lost their lives due to some underhanded agenda to stir up trouble.

Here's a good read, more details about the event.

A Year of Lying About Nord Stream
http://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/a-year-of-lying-about-nord-stream

Soverignty and Liberal Intervention

http://www.un.org/en/about-us/un-charter/chapter-1

United Nations Article 2

1. The Organization is based on the principle of the sovereign equality of all its Members.

SOVERIGN!!

If a foreign nation DELIBERATELY seeks to cause civil unrest for the purposes of replacing a government,
- Then which part of this act is respectful to UN law regarding nations soverignty?

Overthrowing other people’s governments: The Master List

Instances of the United States overthrowing, or attempting to overthrow, a foreign government since the Second World War. (* indicates successful ouster of a government)

This list needs to be updated as other overthrows and potential western sponsored coups have occurred since then.

China 1949 to early 1960s
Albania 1949-53
East Germany 1950s
Iran 1953 *
Guatemala 1954 *
Costa Rica mid-1950s
Syria 1956-7
Egypt 1957
Indonesia 1957-8
British Guiana 1953-64 *
Iraq 1963 *
North Vietnam 1945-73
Cambodia 1955-70 *
Laos 1958 *, 1959 *, 1960 *
Ecuador 1960-63 *
Congo 1960 *
France 1965
Brazil 1962-64 *
Dominican Republic 1963 *
Cuba 1959 to present
Bolivia 1964 *
Indonesia 1965 *
Ghana 1966 *
Chile 1964-73 *
Greece 1967 *
Costa Rica 1970-71
Bolivia 1971 *
Australia 1973-75 *
Angola 1975, 1980s
Zaire 1975
Portugal 1974-76 *
Jamaica 1976-80 *
Seychelles 1979-81
Chad 1981-82 *
Grenada 1983 *
South Yemen 1982-84
Suriname 1982-84
Fiji 1987 *
Libya 1980s
Nicaragua 1981-90 *
Panama 1989 *
Bulgaria 1990 *
Albania 1991 *
Iraq 1991
Afghanistan 1980s *
Somalia 1993
Yugoslavia 1999-2000 *
Ecuador 2000 *
Afghanistan 2001 *
Venezuela 2002 *
Iraq 2003 *
Haiti 2004 *
Somalia 2007 to present
Honduras 2009 *
Libya 2011 *
Syria 2012
Ukraine 2014 *

Does anyone here want to tell me which part of this trail of death is consistent with respecting the soverignty of nations?

[Cont.]

You cant have a bloody list of overthrows that long, and claim to be acting within International Law.

"Article 1
2. To develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples, and to take other appropriate measures to strengthen universal peace;"

- The people of the Donbass wanted independence and self determination after the Ukrainian 2014 coup, (that immediately set about changing language laws) and after the Minsk agreements were not negotiated in good faith.

Was this situation consistent with the idea of equal rights?
Is it consistent with self-determination?

Putin first tried for internal right to self determination (Minsk)
- When that failed he was left no choice in regards to the rights of ethnic Russians to accept their wish for independence,
i.e external right to self determination.

The Rules-Based-Order is not the same as International Law
Is the United States really keeping to the agreed upon rules decided after the end of WWII?

- Not in any way, shape or form.

Liberal Interventions are not at all aligned with the idea of respect for nations soverignty.