"the West has many ways to make Russia pay and can glass over the entire Russian country if needs be."

Interesting, and what may those 'ways' be?
Please share with us what will happen as European countries realise that their economies will fail if the present circumstances continue and they need to buy energy from the US at US prices.
The US and the UK may fight this war down to the last Ukranian but it's the Ukrainians that are going to wake up to the senseless destruction and realise it's between two short men with Napoleon complexes.
The US and UK don't want Russia to loose, they want to be able to contain it, and by using the Ukrainians.
They didn't do too well in Afghanistan and Iraq so they'll use the Ukrainans, after all, whose making money out of this war?

"but it's the Ukrainians that are going to wake up to the senseless destruction and realise it's between two short men with Napoleon complexes"

Is that how you perceive a country defending itself against against an unprovoked invasion? Russia could withdraw its forces at any time and the conflict would cease. Trying to suggest that somehow Ukraine has provoked the conflict just buys into the Russian propaganda. What Putin fears is being surrounded by prosperous democracies that were formerly corrupt and destitute kleptocracies.

"Special" Devilry,

Fester got it in one. Ukraine didn't start this war and surrendering will subject all its people to the brutality and gennocide that Russia is inflicting on the areas it has occupied.

With the advanced weapons the west has delivered to Ukraine, it looks more like the war will be fought to the last Russian. I believe that Putin is going for a second "partial mobilistion" because the 400 000 he previously mobilised are either dead or broken.

Russia is losing this war.

Ukraine wants to join NATO, which means that NATO, could get up to the Russian border. Russia doesn't want that to happen. Simple.

In the meantime, what effect has all the expertise of OLO armchair warriors has on the conflict?

Who gives a shite!

Save it all for when China attacks Taiwan. That will really affect us, unlike far-away Ukraine whose only connection to Australia is Ukrainians coming here to escape what most Ukrainians enduring. They don't care. Neither should we.

"Fester got it in one. Ukraine didn't start this war and surrendering will subject all its people to the brutality and genocide that Russia is inflicting on the areas it has occupied."

Go back to dreamland and take your neocon bs with you.
The war started in 2014 after a US coup.

Only history revisionists and total bullcrappers think the war started when Russia invaded.
What about genocide that was waged against the people of the Donbass for 8 years?
Charter boat is the perfect name for you SM
You live up to it every single time.

Do you want me to show you the documents prior to 2022?
You know I can but I know you'd never acknowledge anything that goes against your masters.

This whole mess has been a matter of US policy since back before 2008.
- When Putin said NYET to further NATO expansion.

Even Jens Stoltenberg the head of NATO said exactly that.
Read it for yourselves
http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/opinions_218172.htm?selectedLocale=en

"The background was that President Putin declared in the autumn of 2021, and actually sent a draft treaty that they wanted NATO to sign, to promise no more NATO enlargement. That was what he sent us. And was a pre-condition for not invade Ukraine. Of course we didn't sign that.

The opposite happened. He wanted us to sign that promise, never to enlarge NATO. He wanted us to remove our military infrastructure in all Allies that have joined NATO since 1997, meaning half of NATO, all the Central and Eastern Europe, we should remove NATO from that part of our Alliance, introducing some kind of B, or second class membership. We rejected that.

So he went to war to prevent NATO, more NATO, close to his borders."

You think you know more than the head of bloody NATO now?

"Please share with us what will happen as European countries realise that their economies will fail if the present circumstances continue and they need to buy energy from the US at US prices."

They are failing, in fact they're completely stuffed truth be told.

Germany Freaks Out - China, Please Save Our Economy!
http://youtu.be/ctryU-IOdGE