China and U.S. headed for all out war, and Putin knows it
http://youtu.be/NfWlyw5I0Cc

Looks like it might be about time to start turning my attention away from the entree and start looking at the main course.

Ukraine made a bid to join NATO this time last year.

No luck yet.

Ukraine was told by NATO that it had to defeat Russia first.

If Ukraine was in NATO now, NATO would have to join the fight against Russia.

NATO member states have already helped Ukraine with weapons.

Ukraine doesn't meet the economic, military and political standards required for membership.

All members must agree to admit Ukraine - or any other country - and that's currently not happening.

It is believed that admitting Ukraine to NATO would 'make Putin's day' in the propaganda stakes.

Get rid of the ex-comedian poncing around the world and pretending to be a leader and do a deal with Russia is the thing to do.

ttbn,

Ukraine wanted to join NATO Duh! To stop Russia from attacking it of course. Note that Russia would not dare to attack Estonia because it would then get smashed by NATO. That you don't care for a small country being invaded and brutalised by its tyrannical neighbour says more about you than Ukraine.

AC,

You are right, Russia's unprovoked attack on Crimea started in 2014 when Russia who'd signed a treaty to honour and protect Ukraine's borders decided that Ukraine was becoming too independent and invaded.

However, with help from the West, and its supply of weapons of ever-increasing lethality, Russia has culminated and is desperately trying to hold onto its ill-gotten gains while suffering losses of men and materiel at an unsustainable rate.

Like in Afghanistan Russia will eventually slink away defeated after hundreds of 1000s of young Russian men have died.

This is not a war that Russia can possibly win.

Hi AC,

As an example of Russian propaganda take the example of the Canadian parliament mistakenly honouring a Ukrainian who served with the SS. For the Russian media it was enough to prove Ukraine a nazi regime along with Canada.

It is no secret that many Ukrainians welcomed the end of Stalin's tyranny, but it didn't take them long to realise that the Nazis were no better.

SM

I'll leave you to make your own decisions on what my opinions 'say about' me - the obvious things being that I don't agree with you, and I find your obsession with a far away conflict pointless.

Referring back to your comments on the number of Americans (irrelevant to Australians) who support Ukraine, and the considerably fewer Australians who approve of Albanese's big noting himself with our money and military equipment, I point out that when people are canvassed about anything, they will mostly say what they think is 'nice', or what the government says. Polls on the Russia/Ukraine conflict mean bugger-all.

Let’s see what you have to say when China invades Taiwan, which is something that really will affect Australia.

Unless you are Ukrainian, your interest in this spat is just a busybody waste of time that will have no effect on the results of the conflict. You can "duh" all you like.

I watched this video before that explained why Ukrainian nationalists joined the German NAZIs.

Ukrainian SS In Britain - Postwar SS-Galizien Division Refugees
http://youtu.be/UB_Gs-0dhOo

"In German-occupied Ukraine the Germans discovered many men sympathetic to the Nazi cause or more particularly adherents of a brand of Ukrainian nationalism that was opposed to Soviet communism and sought an independent Ukrainian state many of these groups saw the German occupation of Ukraine as the beginning their own National dream and by cooperating with the occupiers they might promote Independence or at least some kind of autonomy under Hitler's rule."

Very interesting that word 'Automomy', sounds like the 'Minsk agreements' doesn't it?

Canada knowingly admitted 2,000 Ukrainian SS members after World War II
http://www.jta.org/1997/06/05/global/canada-knowingly-admitted-ss-members-after-world-war-ii
(They knew who they were celebrating recently)

I also know that Britain took 12000 of them after the war.
Ritter says that some of the 14th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS came to Australia but I haven't dug up much as yet.
I know there was a post-war Ukrainian diaspora to Australia some of which may have worked on railways but I don't have much more info.

Watched a really good video last night but it's slow to start and quite long.
CAN THE UKRAINE CONFLICT BE ENDED WITH NEGOTIATIONS?
http://www.youtube.com/live/7_d8FGkV_Bw

"Russia's unprovoked"
Stop lying.
It's the same rubbish as 'Putin wants to recreate the Soviet empire and conquer western Europe'.
They are just tropes to bolster the western narrative.

You can go and beat your drum to all the other gullible people but I know enough about this topic to know it's bs.

"Russia has culminated".
Yeah right, whatever you say mash potato brain.

"This is not a war that Russia can possibly win."
- This conflict shouldn't be seen in isolation.
We're moving towards something much bigger, and in our neck of the woods.
I honestly think WW3 is coming.

China and U.S. headed for all out war, and Putin knows it
http://youtu.be/NfWlyw5I0Cc