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Robert~s Tip Stop - Pale defends itself in its fight to stop animal cruelty

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"Thank you for your interest in how we run our organisation."

Not a problem, as usual its great for a laugh.
Posted by PF, Friday, 14 September 2007 3:45:31 PM
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PALE - it's about perspective.
You're certainly not under any obligation to take the advice, which I offered only in the interests of assisting you to become a more effective lobbying force.
Quite frankly, I don't see any flaws in my suggestions which were offered in good faith, though for whatever reason, which you seem unable to articulate, you feel disinclined to take it. Very well. I'll not make any more suggestions along this line, nor will I level particular criticism at the posting practices of PALE. It is of course, the organisation's decision.

That is not to say I'll not be criticising the content, and reasoning behind posts made by this individual/organisation.
In choosing to continue posting in this manner, the group must be open to the same criticism that is levelled at any given poster.

And that being said, I refute any notion there has been harassment. If you feel as if there has been, I urge you to click the little face over the bottom of my post, and review any of my many comments on various threads. In all instances, I offer reasoning behind my comments.
If you're going to say there has been harassment, you will need to be very specific, because it's unreasonable to make such harsh accusations even if you perceive that you are defending yourself.
I am quite happy to compare the nature of my comments compared to those made under the PALE banner, which I believe have often been made without due consideration, and have often been far less than professional. Again, I'm willing to provide examples.

In choosing this option which is most certainly your decision, PALE has to realise that people will disagree with many of their posts, especially given that many of them are on issues unrelated to the live export trade and the organisation has to wear the consequences of that.
Posted by TurnRightThenLeft, Friday, 14 September 2007 4:28:29 PM
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Turnrightleft

I know for a fact pale was not refering to yourself on the posts.
What you probably do not know is pale runs on two levels.
Mostly the president and others work with overseas and overseas contacts.
This is a link to that work. I think you may find the three lawyers and other official rather caplable.
http://www.halakindmeats.com/

I just thought it may help you to see where most of the efforts go.

I am going to point out however you seem a little disinterested to start you own group given your interest.

I am in hope you take that onboard when you ask other people to consider your motives.

PALE also arrange for people[ mostly their own] to visit farms with feed and other handy items.

The pale office s pretty much self funded by the way.
Unlike every other Animal Welfare organisation I have been involved in they put fund raising last on the list.
In fact they dont fund raise at all.
PALE members are made up of all sorts of people who like the freedom.
I know for a fact when you go into their office you are valued as it you were the queen or King.
Well, what I am trying to say is it may be different than all these snobby fund raising lot but its real
The people are real and I wouldnt ever want to see it changed to a rule for this and a rule for that.
Everybody is happy and everybody gets on well.
Some of the people are a little older and they dont just wrte letters .
OLO is just a small part of letting the Gvernment know that while the others are to gutless to speak out on behalf of the Animals there are some good people who put Animals before the almighty dollar!
I just wanted to Say that.
Posted by TarynW, Friday, 14 September 2007 6:08:53 PM
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TarynW, pale I find no reason, none at all, to believe anyone was stopped from posting here because of a tag.
I find the story the government is trying to kill of pale or some such, unbelievable.
TarynW I find much of the shotgun brand of debate pale uses in your posts, I simple as it is do not think for a second your story about your visit to hospital is related to OLO.
I remind posters of words written above, regardless of what name is under it some posts tell a different story, can it be the same problems exist in more than one pale poster?
Let us read ROberts words then those that answered him, also look more closely at the reason given that no other way exists but for the group known as pale to continue its apparent practice of sharing the tag.
stop reference to paying the fees, if we could indeed when we can we will pay to help this great forum, but no fees exist we have seen that in print from the site owner.
Are you using that term as a pressure point?
Posted by Belly, Friday, 14 September 2007 8:00:44 PM
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Belly
Taryn doesnt have to answer to you. Nor is Taryn posting under the pale tag in case you didnt notice.
You say you cant stand us making a point of union bullies but you are the one who has plastered the fact your a union official.
You go on about how great a bloke you are and how ALP have changed along with unions.
Ok Belly well just for a moment let us leave the worrying fact that you are incharge of some union out of it.
Lets look at Belly as a man.
Your on record as saying many unprofeshional things about in your own words a very bitter little old lady and a couple of others that got together to highlight cruelty to animals.

I cant see much leadership material in that I must say.
We have given you the oportunity to get on with your Pro Kevin Rudd threads and stop your childish attacks on pale.

Now you are going for Taryn who has made a point not to post under pale.
Your stupid claims that anybody said the Government were targetting pale are beyond the pale.
If you had the "slighest idea" whats going on in politics in Australia you would know the Government have passsed new laws which effects every Animal Welfare group.

pale is simply saying if we loose our NFP Tag by speaking out before an election so be it.

I hope they get a good look at what they are getting if they vote labour
The ALP bully mentality is alive and well
did I say mentality- because i really meant the lack of it.
Taryn you dont have to re live anything because of a very off union official.

Dont worry if anybody puts it back up on the forum. I am sure good old you know who is looking for it right now.

Remember the old moto pale says- Sometimes the bastards do you a favour.

Your safe now. It cant happen again kiddo
For The Animals!

belly pales tag is our business!

Thelma and Lousise
Posted by People Against Live Exports & Intensive Farming, Friday, 14 September 2007 10:15:34 PM
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"pale is simply saying if we loose our NFP Tag by speaking out before an election so be it."

For pity sake!

No one can even pretend to be that dumb. Ther are thousands of NFP organisations in this country. By shear definition of a registered organisation you are required to be not be for profit.

Get over the self persecution.

Then again, I can only imagine pale as being a no profit organisation and nothing else ... if you get my drift... so you really dont have anything to worry about wendy.
Posted by PF, Friday, 14 September 2007 11:58:15 PM
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