PALE: "Tell you what though, I will answer your question` in part`- call it a back flip of attempted gagging and blacklisting.
you`ll figure it out."

If that's your "justification", it's especially poor. It's the same twisted logic a kid who was asked to stop misbehaving by a porter uses to justify his subsequent graffiti attack on the station. I didn't ask about the past and, as you seem upset to note, I wasn't here when whatever you're little grudge is about took place. I asked what is your reasoning for not posting individual opinions as individuals and I note you are still not able to provide a rational reason.

*I bet the exporters of live animals just love dealing with you - it must be like taking candy from a baby.*

* See, THAT was a swipe

PALE, I'm not sure how to respond to your post at the moment without risking stirring up things again that I think have had their day. No attacks intended in this.

I think that more insults are posted under PALE's name than you accept hence the post early on which listed some of them. I doubt that we will agree on that, I've made my point, you have made yours and continuing to restate that stuff does not seem to be helping us resolve anything.

I'd be nervous about the idea of being a community gatekeeper, I'm a part of the community who responds when stuff really sticks out to me as being unfair. I don't always like peoples choices but am mostly bothered by perceived double standards or what seems like heavy unprovoked attacks or situations where what looks like a misunderstanding spirals out of control.

I rarely use the recommend deletion button and as I've said elsewhere generally only for straight out flaming or promotion of violence, I've not attempted to have any of your posts on these topics (or any others that I recall) deleted. I don't recall ever using it in relation to a post aimed at me.

If you disagree with the posts made about you try a polite reasoned response and see how it goes. Sometimes it works wonders, if you are talking about Belly's post he and I disagree on some topics but when treated with courtesy my impression is that Belly responds in kind.

If I see you dealing with others using consistant courtesy and copping abuse in response I'll happily stick my two cents worth in.

R0bert

As i have just gone through these posts i find it strange that there is more complaints about PALE standing up for other causes than about being against live exports.

One would also have to commend an organisation who try's to do what is right and still has to fight with people and reasoning why this is bad.

For one Belly would know this is bad as these are jobs going overseas, maybe belly would like to comment how labor is try to keep those meatworkers jobs here.

For what i am aware to rules, Graham Young is the moderator so do as he says, it really is that easy.
I find that PALE has the right to comment on other issues as we all do and as we do get heated.

The point is PALE is fighting for a cause and just because it has an opinion on something else does not mean it should be kept within the bound of just PALE.

We could also recomend what i do put your full name and what you do on the end.

Stuart Ulrich
Independent Candidate for Charlton

Robert

I would like to “politely point out” that `your thread` that `you started` was unfair. We dont answer to how pale posts to yourself or other posters.

You sit there ever so quietly saying it’s nothing to do with you.
You! stared this.

If your claims were true you wished to only assist pale help the Animals you would` not have sat back `so long saying nothing seeing these comments.

you even `politely` encouraged poor old belly.

I stared to copy some insults. There are too many.

It’s mostly about how pale posts which you raised before a year ago.

If you go to the top of the Pale response thread it will tell you why we feel you started the pale car park
“ That has not changed”

Here are just a few comments which ARE unreasonable

Now pale you know who I am, is it asking too much to tell us who each of your posters are?
The individual posting as PALE has again failed to identify them Robert
Speaking of OLO rules.....

Didn’t the main author posting under the id PALE (Wendy Lewthwaite) get banned from OLO?

She used to post under her own name until then.
Posted by PF,
Robert said
now if we can just find an answer regarding the mental health, relationship status etc.

R0bert
Posted by R0bert, Thursday, 13 September 2007 9:55:16 AM

>GO PALE<..."
Posted by BOAZ David, Wednesday, 12 September 2007 8:22:04 PM

When Boaz stuck up for us THEN hes! abused?
THIS is what I find so inflammatory about you BOAZ, particularly your last two words. It is a deliberate attempt to fan the flames.
As a Christian you are the most extraordinary hypocrite!

_______________________
I would remind you PALEaIF that you are an organisation posting on OLO; not an individual. Those you are critical of ARE posting as individuals.

I put it to you that you have caused enormous damage to pale.

I Wont blame OLO but YOU

Think about that

Have a lovely evening

I remind PALE taht the two simple questions I asked remain unanswered.
1. What is wrong with individuals who happen to be PALE members posting their individual opinions using individual handles?
2. Does PALE consider the poorly-expressed posts on unrelated topics enhance its cause to protect animals from maltreatment during live exports? Why?

I have another:
3. Why is PALE unable to exercise control of their own computer equipment to prevent people using it for purposes unrelated to PALE's purpose, such as single parenting and gender politics?

I could ask several others, but let's see if we can get an intelligible answer less than half a page long that actually addresses the questions before we get too carried away.

This is my last post in this thread.
My next one in a pale car park will be the last in that thread.
As I leave I want to say without Malice.
I have no respect for those posting as pale.
I feel without room for doubt for a very long time we are debating with a tag team we know as pale.
I also feel while I have unfortunately been rude in reply a few times pale has mastered rudeness.
Threats and near screaming rage in so very many posts.
It is unpleasant.
But unlikely to change.
I will not reply to pales posts again here or in any forum.
Aware of damage we do, yes even those who simply request better from pale to the forum I have considered leaving OLO.
I have left other forums to see an end to such insults, I am far from a coward and for a time will see if this refusal to communicate with a clear and certain trouble maker helps.
Tapp not here, I will debate all your points if you start a thread but ask you to remember forum rules about diverting discussions.
Your claims interest me, knowing they are shallow and without substance I am shaken that a candidate for office would use them.
Start the thread please.
Pale you need to address your non OLO issues this is no place to display them good by.