TERMS OF REFERENCES - ROBERT`S ENQUIRY INTO PALE.

As in all `good` Enquires it is important that we establish right from the start the terms of reference.
This sets out `what` may be considered as `evidence` and what is outside the` guidelines`.
Comes in handy at times-` Especially if you are a Politician.`

If we take the AWB Enquiry as a guideline and Government procedures you will know that you can not use evidence `outside those terms`

Reference see - Alexander Downer Mark Vaile. -

http://www.livexports.com/cowgun.html

That aside we are not interested in “shaving any evidence”

Robert has gone uncharacteristically quite. Come back Robert please! We like chickens haven’t you heard?
Robert has left this in another thread being reluctant to support “his own policy”

Whoever is posting as PALE has again posted regarding an imagined romance between myself and V.Amberlee.
R0bert
Posted by R0bert, Thursday, 13 September 2007 8:19:23 AM

PALE REPLIES- Robert Your personal life is outside the terms of reference.
We are here to establish whether or not PALE has breached OLO rules- remember?

Robert Said
Now if we can just find an answer regarding the mental health, relationship status etc.

R0bert
Posted by R0bert, Thursday, 13 September 2007 9:55:16 AM

PALE REPLIES

Robert Why do you hide out in another thread making bizarre innuendoes?

We have to work within the rules of OLO and the terms of this Enquiry- “Your enquiry-“ “Your complaint”
However-Just to show we are not biased we will open an” Enquiry thread into Mental Health”.

:PF Perfect - Timing- Where Yabb~s ?
Funny as!
Perhaps you could help with the next Enquiry into Animal Welfare and people who REFUSE to support farmers?

You will have to work inside the terms of reference of course.
However prior docs excepted.

For the record Ladies And Gentlemen- Speaking of Animal Welfare PF is a person BOTH GOVERNMENTS SHOULD LISTEN TO;.

PF Knows a little about "Codes of Practise of the Labour Government and the DPI- ALP"

Yet again outside the terms of reference to Roberts Enquiry into the use of OLO rules I am afraid.

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"CJ......some people are off with the fairies..others dwell in dark little rooms...looking from side to side.. reading things on walls and sticking pins into little dolls and muttering odd sayings. :)

>GO PALE<..."
Posted by BOAZ_David, Wednesday, 12 September 2007 8:22:04 PM

THIS is what I find so inflammatory about you BOAZ, particularly your last two words. It is a deliberate attempt to fan the flames.
As a Christian you are the most extraordinary hypocrite!

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I too am becoming gobsmacked by this situation. I would remind you PALEaIF that you are an organisation posting on OLO; not an individual. Those you are critical of ARE posting as individuals.

This situation is a difficult one.

PALEaIF is posting as an 'Organisation'; as such it's members CAN post under that banner. Why SHOULD they have to reveal their identities. I don't. I use a tag. Therein lies the problem....,for me at least.

I am astonished that as individuals you can carry on in this manner under the P/F banner. (Is the RSPCA in Qld aware that you;-as P/L,- are conducting yourself in this manner whilst mentioning their connection with you? I will guarantee you that RSPCAQ would disassociate themselves immediately if they knew that this was going on from an organisation who aligns itself to them? I will be happy to contact RSPCAQ to draw their attention to this.)

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The solution is for each member of P/F who wishes to post under their banner uses a tag (username), and qualifies their post using the tag. This clarifies that the opinion is from that individual who is a MEMBER of P/F; and NOT from P/F directly.

Any matters appertaining strictly to P/F as an organisation have no qualifier. These matters off course being....; live exports/intensive farming!

If you choose not to do this, then it is abundantly clear to me and others that you are choosing to hide behind the P/F banner.

And to be honest with you; you could not be doing a better job than you are at dragging PALEaIF's standing into the gutter.

Its already been done Ginx. I too am surprised that Wendy would want to continue to risk her association with them.

As I understand it, Pale has an association with the RSPCA as a volunteer for Live Export issues as basically the 'keeper of the petition'.

PALE must not make mention of the working 'in conjunction' with the RSPCA in any other manner.

Oh, and Ginx, a certainly hope you have not confused my tag with having anything to do with pale.

PALE, might I suggest structured posts? It's rather hard to follow your reasoning. You mention that R0bert's jumping around the topic, but in doing so, aren't you doing the same?
Whilst at the same time, you don't actually refute his points. A little more clarity would be nice - at the moment, you're all over the place, and seem more concerned about rebutting perceived attacks with attacks of your own, instead of rational explanation.

You don't need to defend yourself. Try explaining instead, because everybody is simply confused as to why your organisation doesn't simply post under individual names intead of using the organisation name, for what are often topics unrelated to animal exports.

I'll say it again to make it extra clear - this isn't about attacking you or the organisation.

There have simply been a number of questions raised as to the benefits this practice offers - as it stands, there doesn't seem to be any reason to continuing posting in this manner, because it seems to drag the organisation into unnecessary debates.

If you can provide a good reason why, then fair enough. But you haven't provided any good reason why individuals should post under the organisation name for unrelated topics.

It's simple PALE - just tell us why? Is there a reason? That's all this is. It's not an attack. It's confusion. Can you simply please explain? Or are we in for another obscure tirade, which only damages the organisation further. Please, simply clarify.

Is there any reason why individual names can't be used instead? Antje, Wendy, David... I don't know these people, and I'm just confused. Wouldn't it make life easier if people just posted their own views under theirs, or even a new nickname?

I'd just like a simple reason for this practice, because from where I'm standing, it seems like this is a completely unnecessary furore.

Apologies PF!! I see what you mean!

No I did not associate you with PALEaIF.