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You wrote: " Basically, well you're a bunch of idiots."

Yes, AC. I get it. Even though you don't know what you're talking about, anyone who disagrees with you is an idiot....in your mind.

While looking at this survey, I thought I look at other surveys by this group. Here's one that you might find interesting....
http://www.iri.org/resources/new-iri-ukraine-poll-opposition-to-russian-military-intervention-strong-throughout-the-country-enthusiasm-for-election-is-high/

Among other interesting things it finds that "In addition, 68 percent of Russian-speaking citizens oppose military intervention by Moscow." It was done in 2014. That makes a bit of a mess of your claims that Russia needed to protect the Russian speaking peoples in east Ukraine.

Finally, and most hilariously you write: "about something you claimed I said 12 months ago"

I was just last month!! Doesn't time fly when you're having fun?

"If Putin intended to pursue a scorched earth policy in
Ukraine - the West would not stand by indecisively."

Lol

That's exactly what they did to Zelensky at the NATO conference in Vilnius Foxy.
Signalled that they plan to act indecisively.
- No NATO promises for Ukraine, only G7 pledges.
They hung Zelensky and the Ukrainians out to dry, after giving him 'assurances'
- 'however long it takes'
When he had already entered negotiations with Russia last March / April.
No ones coming to help, no NATO, no US boots on the ground.
(If the Poles and Lithuanians come, they will also be left to rot on the battlefield)
Biden's got a re-election to win if he wants to stay out of jail.
- And well the Ukraine debacle has lost it's importance now.

Moreover, neither NATO nor the US itself are in a military position to fight Russia nor are their citizens prepared to accept the deaths of their citizens that would be associated with such a venture.

Russian youth are more patriotic!
http://www.youtube.com/shorts/n2JD9Cu-zZY

Blind Girl meets Putin
http://www.youtube.com/shorts/mUGGiEzOiyc

Revealed! New Variant of Russian Lancet Kamikaze Drone can strike undetected and will fly in swarms
http://youtu.be/gb4fOsjwpSA

Russia is starting to take more territory in this Ukrainian counter-offensive than the Ukrainians have.

There's no military 'solution, the West has run out of ammunition to fight a war of attrition.
No economic 'solution', Russia is doing better than EU countries despite the sanctions.

Russian trade turnover breaks pre-Covid high
http://www.rt.com/business/580013-russia-trade-turnover-growth/

There's no regime change or overthrow coming, Putin prevented any possibility of foreign-sponsored civil unrest and the Russian people are more unified against the West than ever.

For all of you commenters talk, none of it matters, because Ukraine is on the verge of collapse, the EU countries are in recession and are becoming deindustrialised, and Biden's looking at an election loss and potential prosecution.

The whole US establishment / deep state is in serious trouble.

'anyone who disagrees with you is an idiot'

If you knew what you were talking about, you wouldn't be disagreeing.
Simple.

What's the point of your poll exactly?

I don't know what goes on in your head mate... I read:

"As in IRI’s March poll, more than half of respondents (55 percent) consider military intervention by Moscow to be an invasion and occupation of independent Ukraine."

Only 55% ?
- So the other 45% polled were fine with it.
(Must've been a lot of Russian speaking people in Ukraine unhappy with the coup.)

That's like saying 55% of Australians are opposed to the Chinese military intervention and occupation of Tasmania.
- The other 55% of Australians were fine with it?

Or doesn't your brain work properly, you didn't think of that?
Why are you wasting my time trying to points score?

Ultimately, it changes nothing.

Ukraine can't win, they just don't have the military resources to do it
Everything you lot are hoping happens is never going to happen anyway
It's a military fact, it'll never be anything more than wishful thinking.

National Endowment for Democracy (NED), NDI, IRI, CIPE and Solidarity Center Welcome Increased Funding from Congress

http://www.iri.org/news/national-endowment-for-democracy-ned-ndi-iri-cipe-and-solidarity-center-welcome-increased-funding-from-congress/
National Endowment for Democracy (NED), NDI, IRI, CIPE and Solidarity Center Welcome Increased Funding from Congress

"WASHINGTON, D.C. – The National Endowment for Democracy (NED) and its four core grantees, the National Democratic Institute (NDI), the International Republican Institute (IRI), the Solidarity Center, and the Center for International Private Enterprise (CIPE) are deeply gratified that the U.S. Congress has shown strong bipartisan support for our work with a substantial increase in NED’s annual appropriation."

Core grantee of the NED?
They are US Fifth column organisations.

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Hi Foxy,

I can not agree with anything that has the potential to plunge the world into a nuclear war. I believe all military alliances have that potential. As I said from the beginning this war in Ukraine does nothing more than take the lives of innocent peoples on both sides. I'm surprised that so many cannot see the folly of war and the destruction and suffering it causes to millions.

Dear mhaze,

A cup of hemlock, but taken willingly. Maybe he was fed up with seeing argument not being used for understanding and self reflection? Did he think that the situation would change? Not in this discussion at least. I agree with your some of your arguments arguments and find them very logical, but I needed no persuading. Yet for AC your arguments have been unconvincing.

One idea that you present that I cannot understand is that of populations being selectively bred for authoritarian rule. It was used in past times to explain why Japanese and German populations couldn't have democracy either, and how true that theory has turned out. I think that Putin's propaganda pushes out the same theory, so I'd guess that it's one point that you and AC would agree on.

Hi AC,

From ex General Popov's comments I get the impression that the Ukrainians have been successful at knocking out most of the counter-battery radar units. Without range and accuracy the main Russian advantage is obviated. Do you think that this is why the Russian army is targeting civilians, although the the Russian army has ever had a problem committing acts of terrorism has it?

I get the impression that the Ukrainian plan of attack is currently to knock out a few jamming units and then conduct search and destroy operations with their drones and artillery. Cluster munitions are also proving to be very successful at wiping out Russian reinforcements.

Russia might have a huge army AC, but the remaining half of it will also become scrap metal in Ukraine unless they learn how to use it effectively.