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Putin Talks of Negotiation over Ukraine,
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Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 3 January 2023 8:52:06 PM
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Interesting. Thanks AC
"the first casualty of war is the truth" Thank goodness for that. If it weren't so there would be nothing in dispute, and I at least would be very disappointed. It is much more fun trying to see behind the lies. What Russia does have is heaps of artillery, but I think their heavy use of it at least can create logistical challenges in supplying enough ammunition. I think this because the Russian advance has stalled, and they seem to be using human waves of conscripts (no generals amongst them AC) to try and locate the Ukrainian gun emplacements. There could be other reasons as well, like longer range and better accuracy of the weapons that the Ukrainians now possess, but it would appear that the Russians are being a little less extravagant than they were some months ago. As for the precision munitions, the use of drones, deadly as they are, makes me think that the cruise missiles aren't quite as plentiful. Adaptation is a factor as well, and I think that the Ukrainians are getting better at shooting down the drones. But if Putin has as many missiles as you claim AC then I would agree that he would keep targeting the electrical grid. Posted by Fester, Tuesday, 3 January 2023 10:23:09 PM
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Armchair Critic,
I do not lie. But I get it. You believe Putin. Not me. Fair enough. Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 4 January 2023 6:18:59 AM
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AC,
A Russian Blog linked to the Wagner group (grey zone) claims that 500 were killed. A former FSB agent and Blogger Igor Girkin claimed that many hundreds were killed. Even official numbers have risen to 89. And this doesn't even include the other barracks attacked within 24 hours in Kherson and Zaporizhzhia. Ukraine has mastered the art of killing Russians. Between drones, HIMARS, etc. Posted by shadowminister, Wednesday, 4 January 2023 2:36:27 PM
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Here are the risks of negotiating an end to the war
with Putin: http://carnegieeurope.eu/strategiceurope/88574 Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 4 January 2023 2:40:48 PM
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Hi Foxy,
"I do not lie." Now you're lying about not lying. Nice job doubling down on stupid. "I did link into the Kremlin source." - Well show me your post where you added a link to the Kremlin source and I'll apologise. Let me give you a hot tip, the link starts with http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news We can all check everyone comment history, we can all read all the threads. If you did, we'd all be able to see it and others would be defending you and telling me that you did add the link you said you did and that badgering you is unfair. But you can't because you didn't and you're lying, and lying about not lying. - And you dare talk about my credibility... Hi shadowminister I've heard Russian blog Telegram channels have been quoting the actual calculated number will be around 165 - 168. (Whether that's accurate or not who really knows) - Still more under the rubble. I did say earlier that the true number would likely be somewhere in between. Meanwhile there's strikes from the Russian side which go mostly unreported in western News http://bulgarianmilitary.com/2023/01/03/druzhkivka-railway-station-struck-two-himars-destroyed-russia/ Plenty of soldiers are losing their lives on both sides every day. It's all horrible, but just a part of a war which was completely avoidable. And the continuation of this war isn't even really about Ukraine. It's a proxy war by two nuclear powers on the territory of a non-nuclear power. The US fights for its Rules-Based-Order 'global bully status' and to retain its western hegemony. Ukraine. Military Summary And Analysis 03.01.2023 http://youtu.be/A8xmYcKrJvQ The question is what is the US going to do when Ukraine loses? Posted by Armchair Critic, Thursday, 5 January 2023 2:38:41 AM
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- Nar not yet I don't think, a lot of the general narrative is just bs I think, every time Russia launches missiles some spokesperson comes out and says Russia only has enough missiles for one more strike.
- They've been saying that for 6+ months.
Sometimes you have to read between the lines
NATO chief fears Ukraine war could broaden into wider conflict
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/nato-chief-fears-ukraine-war-could-broaden-into-wider-conflict
How is this going to happen if Russia is going to run out of weapons next week?
Peace May Be a Long Way Off in Ukraine in 2023
http://foreignpolicy.com/2022/12/30/russia-ukraine-war-peace-2023-putin-zelensky/
How is this going to happen if Russia is going to run out of weapons next week?
The answer is pretty simple.
They're lying, it's war propaganda to make you think Russia is on the verge of collapse.
To boost Ukrainian troop morale, keep the western citizens thinking Putin is just one day away from losing,
- and try to undermine him and force his ousting by his fellow Russians.
In a war, all that matters is winning, and the first casualty of war is the truth.
We can both be optimistic that it will be all over tomorrow with each our respective sides winning, a clear decisive end that stops any further bloodshed,
- but likely it will be a long drawn out conflict that may even stretch into next year as well.
Putin and Xi both called each other 'Dear Friend' just the other day.
Russia and China are allies against the West, and they both consider themselves to be on the right side of history - against the West.
This thing could get a whole lot worse yet, and probably will.
I have a feeling Putin will start taking out bridges across the Dnieper next, and maybe even wipe out the electrical grid permanently.
- As well as put an end to Ukraine's missile defense.