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Putin Talks of Negotiation over Ukraine,
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Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 27 December 2022 1:14:03 PM
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The whole stinkin world is corrupt.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8F6ooNCtfGo Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 27 December 2022 1:15:13 PM
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Dear Paul,
Putin will not abandon his quest to control Ukraine. It's been planned for years, at least since the 2014 annexation of Crimea and Putin can maintain the offensive indefinitely. The Ukrainians have certainly shown courage and resolve. They have the powerful motivation of fighting to defend their homeland and they enjoy the moral support of most of the free world, along with significant military aid. But they have a population of just 43.6 million before the conflict began from which to draw combatants. That compares with Russia's 146 million. However as long as Western countries keep sending arms any negotiations for peace will be postponed. I can't see the Ukrainians negotiating with Putin. They will not allow their country to be carved up and return to Russian rule. What happens in the future remains unknown. In the meantime the bodies will keep piling up. Putin is not Gorbachev. Gorbachev saw the degraded state of the Soviet Union and he concluded "Everything is rotten it has to be changed." He proposed reforms and changed history. Gorbachev tried to negotiate a peaceful end to the Cold War. He gave peace a chance. Putin put war on the agenda. And he's not about to give up. Until he gets what he wants. The return of the Soviet Empire. There's very little chance of finding another Gorbachev amongst the ranks of the communist apparatus. Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 27 December 2022 3:54:17 PM
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It boils down to this;
The Russians invaded Ukraine. Does anyone think the Ukraine or even its current supporters would ever have invaded Russia. Only one side had something to gain. So if Russia wins they gain an enormous rebuild expense. Do you think the Russians will be pleased with that ? Or will they leave it as an unpopulated wreck ? Maybe that is what Putin wanted all along; a demonstration of what happens if you upset Russia. Sooner or later he will pick on the wrong country and get a nuclear response. Posted by Bazz, Tuesday, 27 December 2022 6:00:35 PM
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More western propaganda. [rolls eyes]
Residents of Mariupol started moving into newly built apartment complexes 3 months ago. http://youtu.be/gJAqPSCVjy4 Whilst I'm sure it was about optics I also think it was genuinely about showing the Russian speaking people who still reside there that they are a part of Russia now, and will be taken care of. Russian Plan for the Reconstruction of Mariupol Leaked http://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/10/13/russian-plan-for-the-reconstruction-of-mariupol-leaked-a79074 Russia rebuilds free houses for Mariupol residents http://youtu.be/yH_j652I-ow "Only one side had something to gain." That's why the US spent 100 billion? - Because they had nothing to gain but simply care about democracy and are the most generous people on earth? Is that what you believe? I swear you lot must think that only Russians are creating propaganda. Everything you think you know about the war is probably a lie, or a half truth at best. - You're the victims of western propaganda. If you think I'm wrong go dig a little, find out the truths for yourselves. Russia's ultimatum to Ukraine before destruction. Fulfill our proposals or Russian army will decide! http://youtu.be/uYxlf2TzxPk I truly don't mean to rain on anyone's parade. But the truths are out there if you look. - And you're not going to get that from 9 news or the abc. They will treat you like a mushroom and feed you bs, but hey if that's what you like being spoonfed.... As long as a majority of people believe it, governments can keeps supporting it And that's all that matters. How many of you would take the time to watch this video below and see how deep the lies really are? I took a LIBERAL, ANTI WAR Protester to see the truth in Donbass, and THIS Happened! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OysQ7yQl_o Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 27 December 2022 6:41:47 PM
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Dear Critic,
«Everything you read is lies, but you're pro-Jew so would automatically be on the Ukrainian side, with all it's bias points of view.» Wow, please tell this to David Singer! http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=22251#388175 «4 Jews in charge of the Ukrainian nation. Zelensky, Shmyhal, Reznikov, Yermak. Pres, PM, Def, Staff.» Until your post I was only aware of Zelensky being Jewish. Is this information Russian propaganda or Western propaganda? And why should that make any difference to me? Well I suppose that all these horror stories I've heard about Stalin, the gulags and such, were also just Western propaganda, that all the people I've spoken with in person about their hardships there, were just Jewish conspirators and that the Ukrainian Holodomor too was actually a natural famine, with Stalin, the Sun of Nations, sending over train-fulls of cakes to save the poor Ukrainian farmers, but these stupid farmers refused to eat the cakes because they were not kosher... Posted by Yuyutsu, Tuesday, 27 December 2022 7:44:46 PM
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http://youtu.be/jH3iGOPNCiM
http://youtu.be/2yM-YAVu174
http://youtu.be/XbuZYRtBfWI
Ukraine fighters put to death by Putin's men; Hail of rockets lights up night sky in war zone
http://youtu.be/h1nV4GjG0i8
Has Russia ran out of missiles yet?
They are just selling you bs, so you keep supporting the war, while Ukrainians get annihilated.
Wait for a week or so till the ground hardens, Russia will go on the offensive.
Large Russian military columns moving towards the frontline, Zaporizhzhia. Ukraine very concerned.
http://youtu.be/2P-iaDp2QqY